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Hurts, doesn't it?
Wondered how people did that. But I learn quick....see! Thanks.

good to see another Oklahoma person. Especially one from the town I was born in, dad went to high school in, and my uncle still lives. Edmond is the best.
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I put together another dye bath, and have some updated pictures and have gained some more knowledge in my quest to be able to create custom sleeving colors.

For this round of tests, I wanted to see if prepping the sleeve would change how much dye was absorbed by the sleeve. From some online suggestions, I am using both Acetone and Denatured Alocohol as the two prepping agents for this test. Here is pic of my plastic buckets used. I just poured some in the bottom of each, and then put the sleeve in to soak.

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As part of this round of testing, I also wanted to see if soaking it in the Acetone or the Denatured Alocohol for longer periods of time would impact dye absorbtion, so I put one length of sleeve in each bucket last night before I went to bed, and soaked it overnight. Then this morning, I put an additional length of sleeve in each bucket, and soaked it for a just an hour, before I started the dyeing. That gave me 4 different sleeve samples to see how it goes, As a control, I also used an unprepped length of sleeve. That gave me 5 different sleeve samples. So that I wouldn't get them mixed up, I attached a certain # of safety pins to the ends of the sleeves, so that at the end of this process I would know which one was which. Picture of my sleeve lengths ready for their dye bath:

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For the dye bath, today we will be using the liquid RIT dye, in the color 'Wine'.

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Now, since I'm still working on finding out the right process to follow to do this, I'm not going to mix up different colors for this test. I just want to see if the end product comes out close to the color dye I selected. I heated up about 2 quarts of water to a boil, and then put the whole bottle in. These liquid bottles cost about $3 bucks at Wal-Mart.

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I put all 5 sleeve samples in the pot, and kept the pot simmering at a real low boil, and left these going for 1 hour. I stirred it every once in awhile. Here is what the looked like at 20 minutes:

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At 30 minutes:

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At 50 minutes:

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Didn't look like it was changing much after this initial 10 minutes or so, but I went the whole 60 minutes anyway. I knew based on my previous attempt that a lot of the dye was just kind of sitting on the sleeve, and was going to rinse off. Was curious as to what the color was going to look like. After the 60 minutes, I rinsed all 5 samples in cold water, and they did lose a lot of the color. Here is a picture of what they came out like, along with an undyed sample length. From left to right, the sleeve samples are as follows:

1. Undyed
2. Not prepped
3. Prepped with Acetone for 1 hour
4. Prepped with Acetone overnight (about 10 hours)
5. Prepped with Denatured Alcohol for 1 hour
6. Prepped with Denatured Alcohol overnight

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So, first lets talk about the differences between the samples. THERE ARE NONE. I know that lighting in pictures can sometimes do strange things....but don't strain your peepers. All of the samples look exactly the same. This lets us conclude that there is no benefit to prepping the sleeving with either Acetone or Denatured Alcohol.

Now lets talk about the color. ITS PINK! Kind of pretty....in an easter egg sort of way. But definitely not the 'Wine' color of the dye that was used. And not real vivid or dark either. The sleeve is simply not absorbing a lot of the dye. I was hoping that prepping with Acetone or Alcohol might strip away some protective treatment on the surface and allow the sleeve to absorb more dye, but it didn't really help. But I'm still encouraged that the sleeve can by dyed. It does really come out nice. The pictures don't do it full justice, but the coloring is smooth and even. But...since it didn't come out the full color of the dye that was used, this makes it difficult to use the online mixture recipe's to create that custom color you might be after.

I'm going to do some more research on different ways to prep the sleeve and perhaps allow more dye to absorb. I'm also going to do another dye batch, but this time I'm going to add some vinegar and see if that allows more dye to be absorbed. Should have that updated posted tonight or tomorrow. Also, my MDCP-X samples should be here Friday or Monday, and I plan to see if that sleeving absorbs dye differently than this FTW sleeving. So far, all tests have been done with white FTW sleeving. I'm also going to do some paracord, and my guess if that it will accept the dye much more readily than the FTW or MDCP, since it is less plasticky.

The fun will continue!!!!! thumb.gif
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im so gonna try to do some hippie sleeves. thumb.gif nice work sir!!
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im so gonna try to do some hippie sleeves. thumb.gif nice work sir!!

Thanks. Tye-dye sleeving....now that would be cool.
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Is there anyway to figure out what the sleeve is made out of exactly? I know you mentioned it was PET but if it is that may make it very difficult to "dye." I thought it was an extruded nylon fiber instead which is easier to dye. My dad works in plastics and mentioned trying to soak the sleeve in bleach beforehand.

If it is PET you may want to give this a read. I've found many articles all saying about the same thing. They are focused on commercial processes which is quite different that what you are trying.

I still vote for white vinegar or possibly a stronger acid solution if you could get your hands on something though. Hope this works out as it is giving me some ideas.
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Is there anyway to figure out what the sleeve is made out of exactly? I know you mentioned it was PET but if it is that may make it very difficult to "dye." I thought it was an extruded nylon fiber instead which is easier to dye. My dad works in plastics and mentioned trying to soak the sleeve in bleach beforehand.
If it is PET you may want to give this a read. I've found many articles all saying about the same thing. They are focused on commercial processes which is quite different that what you are trying.
I still vote for white vinegar or possibly a stronger acid solution if you could get your hands on something though. Hope this works out as it is giving me some ideas.

Thanks Kyle. The FTW sleeve I'm using is PET, according to the company owner. I did a little research trying to figure out what MDCP is made from, and was unsuccessful. Perhaps it will be a different plastic and be more amenable to accepting dye. Will be trying that next week.

The bleach is worth a shot and I have a large bottle on hand. I think I'll start some soaking tonight for a morning dye bath tomorrow. I'm going to get two pots going at the same time tomorrow. In one pot, I'll do a sample treated with bleach, and one without. In the other pot, I'll add vinegar to the dye bath and do a sample treated with bleach and one without. I'll have a quick read of the linked post also, to see if it gives me any other ideas. Will post more pics tomorrow!
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Just for giggles yesterday, I took one of my 5 newly dyed pink sleeve samples, and decided to keep it simmering in the dye bath for even longer. Ended up leaving it going for about 6 hours. Might have gone longer, but the dye bath level was getting low. Even with the lid on the stock pot, I was losing some water to evaporation. Anyway, the sleeving did get darker by leaving it under heat for that long. Picture below....the sleeve in the middle is the one that was simmered an additional 6 hours.

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Not a lot darker, and its still not the right shade of "wine" that the dye was, but its better. Could look interesting in your power supply sleeving to have the same basic color used, but varying levels of darkness. How about we do the "Breast Cancer Awareness" build, and I'll donate these samples to whomever wants to use them!

This test also let me put to rest the idea that you have "dip/rinse/repeat" during the process. Just keep the heat on, and let the sleeves simmer in the dye bath.

I've got two new batches of dye going right now, to test whether prepping with bleach is effective, and whether vinegar in the dye bath is effective. Tune in this evening for updated results and pictures!
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Another day....another dye bath. Lets get to it, and as a spoiler, there was something more significant about today's dye bath. Here we go:

Today we have two tests in mind. 1) See if prepping the the sleeve with bleach enhances the amount of dye it will take; and 2) see if adding vinegar to the dye bath enhances the amount of dye the sleeve will take. So.....I guess we are going to have to create two separate dye baths!

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How much fun is that?! Each 8 quart stock pot was filled with about 4 quarts of water. I used more water this time because my plan is to simmer it for a long time today, and unless you keep the pot covered the whole time, you lose some water to evaporation. For those with good eyes, that is the Rit "Scarlet" dye we are using today. One $3 bottle in each pot. Find it at your local Wal-Mart.

Clearly need some vinegar for this test. Think this is enough?

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On with the test. In each pot, I put two lengths of white FTW sleeve, for a total of 4. One of the sleeves in each pot had been soaked in bleach for 2 hours, while the other had not been prepped at all. From previous tests, it didn't seem like Acetone or Alcohol and impacted the dye process...but why not give bleach a try! In one of the pots, I dumped in 3 full cups of vinegar. Yeah...I know that's a lot. And my house stunk. But the best way to see if it impacts the dye process is to overdue it, right? Extreme, right?

I simmered each pot for about 6 hours. Covered most of the time, but would lift the lid periodically to check on it. After six hours, the results were more surprising than previous tests. The picture below contains the 4 sleeve length's, from left to right, in this order:

1. No Prep - No Vinegar
2. Bleach Prep - No Vinegar
3. No Prep - Vinegar in Dye Bath
4. Bleach Prep - Vinegar in Dye Bath

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Now we're cooking with fire! First time there have been differences created by either prepping the sleeve or adding to dye bath. The first two on the left had no vinegar added to the dye bath. The two on the right did. Huge difference in the amount of dye that was absorbed, ...but also in the color shade. The two on the left are FAR too light for the intended effect of the scarlet color...but at least they are in the right shade family. The two on the right are BY FAR the darkest and most vivid to date from these dye tests....but the color turned more brown than scarlet. Only two realy possibilities here.....either the vinegar that was added impacted the tint of the color as well as the amount absorbed.....or the two bottles of dye were not well matched. I would tend to believe that it was the vinegar, because the dye looked the same color coming out of the bottle. Can easily prove/disprove that with another test (which of course I will do).

But also look at the difference between #1 and #2 above, and between #3 and #4 above. The #2 and #4 were the two prepped with bleach, and both of them DO have a little brighter and more vivid look than #1 and #3. Not a whole lot, but clearly noticeable in person. I can also tell from the picture....but it might be my mind knowing that the difference exists. Trust me...its there.

For funnies....I threw in some white paracord to the same dye bath that had the vinegar in it. I assumed because of the different material that it wouldn't take long to get some color. I cooked it for about 10 minutes. The pics below show the paracord on the far right...next to our other samples:

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The color, while still not perfect, is much closer to the "Scarlet" that the dye is supposed to produce. It does, however, still have a slightly browner tint than it should. This opens another possibility...even though I know I previously said there were only two possibilities as to why the plastic sleeve turned so brown in the vinegar. Perhaps the 6 hours was just far too long. I didn't check the color along the way.

Here are my thoughts for the next round of testing. Clearly the vinegar helps/impacts the dye process. I need to figure out if I used too much....or if I cooked it too long. So, for next round, I will again use two pots of dye bath, both with the exact same amount/color of dye. But in one, I will put a little vinegar, and in the other I will put a lot. Additionally, in each pot I will start with multiple lengths of sleeve, and will take some out after 30 minutes, some after 1 hour, etc. That way I'm covering both the amount of vinegar and the time it cooks.

Look for another update tomorrow! Still expecting the MDCP sleeve either today or Monday, so I'm going to repeat which ever tests were most successful with that sleeve also to see if results are different. I also still plan to expand the paracord testing at some point.
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Another solid day of testing ---- YOU"RE SO CLOSE!!!! I CAN TASTE THE VINEGAR tongue.gif
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