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Originally Posted by RagingCain View Post


You specified the entertainment industry, which is all encompassing, not the recording industry which is specific segment of that.  If software you are using runs better on a quad core, than a hexacore, it is not efficiently multi-threaded, which is something all platforms are afflicted by.  Again, you are talking about preferences, and will continue to do so, unless you prove it with some sort of numerical analysis.  Which no Mac users has thoroughly described his experience.  The best I can seem to come up with other than "it just works" or "its just more reliable" is akin to what this YouTube user Justin's Big Idea had regarding Steam (source)  Until you provide actual benchmarks in filtering audio, ripping audio, editing audio is actually better everything you say is just technically opinion.

If its software you are after, then I have already agreed that software is like flavor, your personal tastes will be different.  My argument was not with that it may be easier for you, or that you may even prefer Macs, my initial quoting was that you claim it excels at everything else.  Which is so broad an argument you are guaranteeing yourself to be wrong.  There is no perfect system after all.  You then key in on specific aspect, claiming that Macintosh is superior to Music Recording, but I have no experience in this industry.  I highly doubt its because Mac's are physically superior, you agree with me in that they comprise (now a day's at least) that they are the same hardware or very similar.  That leaves how it operates with software.  I also noticed you have neglected to bring up any responses to Linux based software, which leads me to feel like this is a Windows PC vs Mac PC argument, which I don't want to be confused as being pro for either.

If you are operating a custom built 980x and operating the same software as a 2600 iMac akin system, and its finishing better / faster on the Mac, there are really only two reasons for this, there is a bug somewhere, or its not efficiently utilizing the 12 threads of the 980x.  If its different recording software on different platforms then I anticipate there are many more variables at play, but as far as rendering or doing numerically intensive tasks, a well designed 980X system should be much more capable than quad-core Sandy Bridge.  There is probably something configured wrong, or something seriously eating overhead on the 980X based system.  I would expect that the system was correctly configured by the User after all spending so much on hardware.  If you like out-of-the-box setups where you don't have to tweak or "work" with the OS like you do with custom built computers then they were the wrong choice from the get go, and you should have known that.

When you say "Sexy fruit logo" you kind of make your entire argument biased sounding as if I am attacking you.  I gave logical and thought provoking reactions to what you wrote, please don't cheapen the experience with your ill placed sarcasm, we are allowed to discuss our differences of opinion.  My entire beef was with your blanket statement of Apple's excel "at everything else", I can find many examples of where it does not excel at such as scientific computing for example, distributed computing, and large corporate workplace environments.  My point / goal was to get you to see your statement was ill conceived, and that Macintosh's do things well, and should be recommend in their due place, but lets not make information up, only provide facts that are sourceable.

Honestly, that was a well thought out response. I'll agree to disagree on this one. It comes down to opinions.
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In all honesty, the entertainment industry is kind of stupid. What you see in tv is marketing and product placement. Congratulations, you're a consumer zombie.

I'll congratulate you on trying to make a point that has nothing to do with my argument. Feel free to start a "sound off about what you hate on TV" thread.
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There are musicians that record and compose music on PC's. There is not really anything that special about Macs anymore for creative content creation. Many Hollywood movies use PC's instead of Macs for rendering scenes in movies now like Pixar.
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Originally Posted by Riou View Post

There are musicians that record and compose music on PC's. There is not really anything that special about Macs anymore for creative content creation. Many Hollywood movies use PC's instead of Macs for rendering scenes in movies now like Pixar.

 

Most, if not all do. I think Pixar uses a Linux-based render farm.

 

Ever since Apple switched to Intel, it became all the more apparent that the markup for otherwise identical Apple hardware is solely for the logo, and more and more studios that formerly used Apple are increasingly moving to PC.

 

I could be wrong, but historically Apple really hasn't had a very large presence in the movie production segment at all. Before Windows and Linux, Pixar used SPARC clusters running Solaris (used to render the first Toy Story film).

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You specified the entertainment industry, which is all encompassing, not the recording industry which is specific segment of that.  If software you are using runs better on a quad core, than a hexacore, it is not efficiently multi-threaded, which is something all platforms are afflicted by.  Again, you are talking about preferences, and will continue to do so, unless you prove it with some sort of numerical analysis.  Which no Mac users has thoroughly described his experience.  The best I can seem to come up with other than "it just works" or "its just more reliable" is akin to what this YouTube user Justin's Big Idea had regarding Steam (source)  Until you provide actual benchmarks in filtering audio, ripping audio, editing audio is actually better everything you say is just technically opinion.

If its software you are after, then I have already agreed that software is like flavor, your personal tastes will be different.  My argument was not with that it may be easier for you, or that you may even prefer Macs, my initial quoting was that you claim it excels at everything else.  Which is so broad an argument you are guaranteeing yourself to be wrong.  There is no perfect system after all.  You then key in on specific aspect, claiming that Macintosh is superior to Music Recording, but I have no experience in this industry.  I highly doubt its because Mac's are physically superior, you agree with me in that they comprise (now a day's at least) that they are the same hardware or very similar.  That leaves how it operates with software.  I also noticed you have neglected to bring up any responses to Linux based software, which leads me to feel like this is a Windows PC vs Mac PC argument, which I don't want to be confused as being pro for either.

If you are operating a custom built 980x and operating the same software as a 2600 iMac akin system, and its finishing better / faster on the Mac, there are really only two reasons for this, there is a bug somewhere, or its not efficiently utilizing the 12 threads of the 980x.  If its different recording software on different platforms then I anticipate there are many more variables at play, but as far as rendering or doing numerically intensive tasks, a well designed 980X system should be much more capable than quad-core Sandy Bridge.  There is probably something configured wrong, or something seriously eating overhead on the 980X based system.  I would expect that the system was correctly configured by the User after all spending so much on hardware.  If you like out-of-the-box setups where you don't have to tweak or "work" with the OS like you do with custom built computers then they were the wrong choice from the get go, and you should have known that.

When you say "Sexy fruit logo" you kind of make your entire argument biased sounding as if I am attacking you.  I gave logical and thought provoking reactions to what you wrote, please don't cheapen the experience with your ill placed sarcasm, we are allowed to discuss our differences of opinion.  My entire beef was with your blanket statement of Apple's excel "at everything else", I can find many examples of where it does not excel at such as scientific computing for example, distributed computing, and large corporate workplace environments.  My point / goal was to get you to see your statement was ill conceived, and that Macintosh's do things well, and should be recommend in their due place, but lets not make information up, only provide facts that are sourceable.

Honestly, that was a well thought out response. I'll agree to disagree on this one. It comes down to opinions.

 

We are all geeky brothers at the end of the day and you are more than welcome to disagree =)

 

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post #115 of 136
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There are musicians that record and compose music on PC's. There is not really anything that special about Macs anymore for creative content creation. Many Hollywood movies use PC's instead of Macs for rendering scenes in movies now like Pixar.

Correct and also incorrect. The vast majority use render farms which utilize PC's through MIDI over LAN or gigabit Ethernet direct connections. Basically, they run a Mac Pro as the main system which holds their DAW and then connect multiple PC's to run specific plugins on each. On the video side, they use high end video editing software on the MAC and then use distributed computing via PC's or other MAC's. Either way, the Apple computer is still the main computer.
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Most, if not all do. I think Pixar uses a Linux-based render farm.

Ever since Apple switched to Intel, it became all the more apparent that the markup for otherwise identical Apple hardware is solely for the logo, and more and more studios that formerly used Apple are increasingly moving to PC.

I could be wrong, but historically Apple really hasn't had a very large presence in the movie production segment at all. Before Windows and Linux, Pixar used SPARC clusters running Solaris (used to render the first Toy Story film).

Again, they use PC's because they are cheaper and offer equal brute power in a farm system. The main systems are almost always Apples. Funny, I just watched a Pixar documentary and most of the computers that I saw were Apple...
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I think I just had a nerdgasm.

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Oh, how this thread is entertaining. I own both a 980x system and an iMac and both have their strengths. I do find it funny, however, that PC fanboys get such pleasure at any news that places Apple in a bad light. Point is that PC's have good points like gaming. Apple, on the other hand, excels at everything else


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Of course nothing is unhackable, but ultimately we'll never get to the point where OS X has anywhere near as much malware available for it as Windows does. Gate Keeper, is a good example... that should help quite a bit for the majority.
I'm a person who likes Apple, not an 'Apple person', there is a difference tongue.gif


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