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So 3d is not just gimmicky this time around, I have been itching to try 3d gaming nvidia or amds side dont care which just w/e has the more support. I am just about to upgrade my build this week and could get a 3d monitor aswell worth trying out? Or does it get old quik.
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Your GPU bottle necking is not from your CPU....your bottle necking is from PCIE 2.0. You need to go PCIE 3.0 with multi-card solutions....Vega proved this recently with his epic build in this thread.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1220962/vegas-heavyweight-display-and-computer-edition-2012

You have got to be kidding me. Did you really just tell someone that their 6850's are bottlenecked by PCIe 2.0 lachen.gifkookoo.gif . Those cards are not even close to maxing out the bandwidth of 2.0 and they aren't even 3.0 cards, so if they did change to a 3.0 board, the cards would run at 2.0 doh.gif . You are very funny, nice setup, but still funny. That was one of the best line's I've read on OCN biggrin.gif I think that 3d is messing with your head applaud.gif
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*SIGH* Do I really need to go over this?
The 7990 is single card dual GPU crossfire not a dual Card Dual GPU crossfire....they are totally different.
Dual card crossfire eyefinity solutions are terrible because the crossfire bridge cannot handle the information workload needed for the large eyefinity frame buffer. This is why you ALWAYS have crappy microstutter with crossfire eyefinity solutions.
Single card crossfire such as the 7990 does not have this problem as its internal crossfire bridge is much, much beefier versus the flimsly double card options.
Nvidia does not have this problem because they let you run one monitor off of each card and they don't have to worry about overloading the SLI bridge with frame rate reduntancy. This is why Nvidia is superior for multi-card applications.

Sigh ...

I dunno if you have some special insight into the 7990, given that it's not out yet, but what you're saying here is basically entirely wrong if applied to every other dual-GPU card that's come out previously.

There's never been a single card/dual GPU situation that was superior to it's equivalent dual card SLI or Crossfire solution when every spec is held exactly equal.

Examples include SLI GTX275 vs GTX295 (at GTX275 clocks), SLI GTX580 vs GTX590 (if you put them at equal clocks), and the last three previous AMD solutions like 6990 vs Crossfire 6970 ... the single card has NEVER been faster than the dual card ... never. It might match it in some cases, but it's never faster, and it's often slower, esp. with nVidia cards.

And all of these dual-GPU cards have functioned identically to regular SLI or Crossfire when it comes the communication taking place between the cores. NV dual gpu cards just use their NF200 chip, for example.

Now, there was talk at one time of AMD having some special uber-inner-connect called Sideport between the two gpu's that they physically put on the 4870x2 but they couldn't get it working and abandoned it as far as I am aware.

Like I say, perhaps you have some insight on the 7990 I don't know about, but in terms of every card that's come before it ... I just wanted to make clear to everyone that what you said there does *not* apply.

Two physical cards have always been faster than, or at worst, equal in performance to, their single card/dual GPU counterparts ... and they've ALWAYS just been EXACTLY SLI or Crossfire implemented on a single card in terms of their inner-gpu communications ... with all the myriad potential 'issues' that SLI or Crossfire inherently have like microstutter and occasional lack of multi-gpu profiles (and I'd bet that if HD3D isn't supported for regular crossfire, it probably won't be for the 7990 either, since that's the point of the discussion) thumb.gif

Also, I cannot see why there'd be any advantage to nV's configuration of running the third monitor off the 2nd card. I don't know what you're on about with the talk of 'frame rate redundancy', but the total 'traffic' along the innerconnect between the GPU's (the PCI-EX bus and the Bridge) should be identical regardless of whether the third monitor is plugged into card 1 or card 2. So I'm curious where you got this information. Sounds like someone's 'speculation' more than it sounds like 'proven fact', let's put it that way wink.gif

Lastly, microstutter has nothing to do with bandwidth issues created by transferring the frame buffer contents from one card to another for display. Even a very large frame transfer requires very minimal bandwidth (compared to what's available) as it's basically sent like a compressed image file, like a .jpg type of deal. It's nothing compared to the traffic created by the GPU's talking to the CPU, put it that way. AND the buffer is NOT necessarily transferred over the Crossfire bridge, in fact it's much more likely to be transferred via the PCI-Ex bus.

AMD has microstutter issues (in part) because they place "Scaling" at a premium over "Smoothness" ... put another way, increased smoothness has 'cost' in terms of scaling (because it involves one card having to 'wait' for the other from time to time), and AMD has calculated that better scaling improves their bottom line more than smoothness. This is primarily because of the way review sites fixate entirely upon FPS, rather than studying frametimes.

It's also been proven that the closer your GPU's are to max capacity (i.e. 99% usage), the more likely you'll get microstutter, whether it's nV or AMD. So while I don't care to go into detail about why that is so, suffice to say it's not because of a lack of bandwidth with which to transfer the buffer contents ... however, the underlying reason for it means microstutter is more likely to occur at massive resolutions, simply because the cards are more likely to be at 99%.
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just HD3D...REALLY? Really? AMD marketing team couldn't have come up with a better gimicky name?

Yes I know quite some contribution to this thread....still HD3D seems soooo....meh name-wise
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May I ask a favour from the OP (or anyone else running EyeFinity) if you have The Witcher 2? The latest patch (3, or the "Enhanced Edition") appears to have broken Surround support (the picture no longer fills three screens if you select a Surround resolution but pillarboxes the picture instead) and I was wondering whether this patch has made nVidia Surround behave like EyeFinity did (EyeFinity apparently exhibited this behaviour in the earlier patches).

It would be interesting if they've broken nVidia Surround and fixed EyeFinity... although I suspect that both will be 'broken'.

Thanks in advance. smile.gif
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Your GPU bottle necking is not from your CPU....your bottle necking is from PCIE 2.0. You need to go PCIE 3.0 with multi-card solutions....Vega proved this recently with his epic build in this thread.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1220962/vegas-heavyweight-display-and-computer-edition-2012

Obvious troll is obvious. Or maybe you're being serious? Either way...Lol. kookoo.gif

There is no way a 6850 is bottlenecked by PCI-E 2.0. That's just crazy talk. And to say it would be better on PCI-E 3.0 is just flat out wrong. It is a PCI-E 2.0 card.
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Obvious troll is obvious. Or maybe you're being serious? Either way...Lol. kookoo.gif
There is no way a 6850 is bottlenecked by PCI-E 2.0. That's just crazy talk. And to say it would be better on PCI-E 3.0 is just flat out wrong. It is a PCI-E 2.0 card.

DUDE, first off hes got TWO 6850s and second off VEGA has proven that PCIE 2.0 bottlenecks multi-gpu cards.
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May I ask a favour from the OP (or anyone else running EyeFinity) if you have The Witcher 2? The latest patch (3, or the "Enhanced Edition") appears to have broken Surround support (the picture no longer fills three screens if you select a Surround resolution but pillarboxes the picture instead) and I was wondering whether this patch has made nVidia Surround behave like EyeFinity did (EyeFinity apparently exhibited this behaviour in the earlier patches).
It would be interesting if they've broken nVidia Surround and fixed EyeFinity... although I suspect that both will be 'broken'.
Thanks in advance. smile.gif

I don't own W2 and I'm not gonna buy W2 until its $5 on Steam or Orgy. If anybody wants to supply me with a key for W2, I'll be more than happy to download it and test it out with my 3d eyefinity
Edited by l88bastar - 4/18/12 at 10:01am
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DUDE, first off hes got TWO 6850s and second off VEGA has proven that PCIE 2.0 bottlenecks multi-gpu cards.

Since when was a 6850 a dual GPU card? You said on the previous page that the guys 6850's were being bottlenecked by PCI-E 2.0. That's just not true. Maybe you are thinking they are being bottlenecked by running in x8/x8 or something. I don't know. You're not really making any sense.
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I don't own W2 and I'm not gonna buy W2 until its $5 on Steam or Orgy. If anybody wants to supply me with a key for W2, I'll be more than happy to download it and test it out with my 3d eyefinity

OK, thanks for getting back to me. smile.gif
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Come on stop the arguing,
I obviously already know that 2X 6850's arnt bottle necked by PCIE 2.0 since there was no difference between 8/8X and 16/16X.
Hell with them overclocked to 1008/1140mhz they are only getting the same performance as a 7970, 9447 3d mark 11 GFX points. And a 7970 runs happily in 8X PCIE 2.0 with only a very small increase going to 16X. CF 7970 works fine in PCIE 2.0 16X but maybe just maybe 3 or 4 of them would need PCIE 3.0 to get there full potential.


Now back onto HD3D Eyefinity.
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