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post #1 of 21
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Well, this is a pretty unique mouse... but unique doesn't necessarily mean good. frown.gif I think it has potential, if a few, important things were changed.

From worst to least:

(-) The coating on the sides is just ridiculous. Barely any grip, and zero grip on clean, fresh hands. I don't understand how things like this make it this far. :S If I were in charge of testing and QA for things like this...oh boy! On the other hand, equally ridiculous, the coating on the side buttons is PERFECT! So, I have no idea why they didn't use that on the rest of the mouse also...

(-) Again, the sides of the mouse slant oddly, reducing the ability to grip/lift/control it.. In this case/mouse, both sides slant to the left \ \ which is just weird, and basically forces your hand to bend unnaturally leftward. I have to position my hand/grip as far forward as possible, where the sides are most vertical, to get the best possible grip on this thing. I try not to be "picky" about this particular issue, but there are tons of cheap, "low-end", "non-gaming" mice that have great, simple shapes... so why do these "high-end" "gaming" mice have to have such queer designs? confusedsmiley.png

(-) Right/left mouse button click distance is too long, and there is too much play, especially in the right button. The buttons/clicks do not feel similar to IE3.0 at all. I think this is because the buttons are much longer than IE3.0, where a shorter hinge point creates a much more tactile, responsive click. I mean, for crap's sake, you can actually press/activate the R/L buttons from the MIDDLE/top of the mouse! On IE3.0/WMO, you can see where the entire buttons are, so there is no guessing, and no problems.

(-) The scroll wheel is nice and grippy and oversized and all, but the scrolling action is too stiff. It's not a smooth, mechanical feeling at all. It's like using some old, dirty, bound-up rubberdome VS a nice, lubricated mechanical switch. The G400's scrolling is excellent, in contrast. Not that I even use scroll in games, lol.

(-) This is a tricky call, but I'm gonna go ahead and say the side buttons are too far back, and it never hurts to make them more pronounced and separated, or larger. smile.gif IE3.0 side buttons are good, G400 even better, so let's not take steps backward, shall we?

(-) Rubber coating on the top, provides no grip for me.




The bottom line for me is: this mouse makes my IE3.0 feel great :\ My perfect mouse would be a blend of IE3.0 and WMO, I think I now know. So, this mouse is definitely not for me, and definitely not similar to the IE3.0. This mouse is more of it's own thing(unique), than any other mouse, as far as I know.
Edited by CT007 - 4/17/12 at 10:42am
post #2 of 21
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Originally Posted by CT007 View Post

The bottom line for me is: this mouse makes my IE3.0 feel great
That's because IME 3.0 is a GREAT mouse. Why do you think there's all this hype around it? IME, IMO and even WMO are superior to many of these recently released mice. For some strange reason i can claw/fingertip grip my IME and it feels almost perfect, but i never got a good grip on these EC mice.
On another note are you just trying to piss people off with these "reviews" or is there a point i'm missing? To follow your idea i can make 200 of these so called "dirty reviews", but why waste my time? 90% of what your saying is personal preference. If your trying to help somebody (or get help), you're doing it the wrong way, seriously.
post #3 of 21
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(-) The coating on the sides is just ridiculous. Barely any grip, and zero grip on clean, fresh hands. I don't understand how things like this make it this far. :S If I were in charge of testing and QA for things like this...oh boy! On the other hand, equally ridiculous, the coating on the side buttons is PERFECT! So, I have no idea why they didn't use that on the rest of the mouse also...

I hope you realize the coating is the same all over the mouse, i really do, But i do agree with you, with freshly washed hands, or just lightly sweaty hands, its hard to grip, took me 2-3 min of fps games to get enough build up before it didnt slip around. (Im speaking ec1 evo here, but same coating.), best coating by far is the side coating on the IME 3.0, or the old MX510, well for me anyhow.
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(-) Again, the sides of the mouse slant oddly, reducing the ability to grip/lift/control it.. In this case/mouse, both sides slant to the left \ \ which is just weird, and basically forces your hand to bend unnaturally leftward. I have to position my hand/grip as far forward as possible, where the sides are most vertical, to get the best possible grip on this thing. I try not to be "picky" about this particular issue, but there are tons of cheap, "low-end", "non-gaming" mice that have great, simple shapes... so why do these "high-end" "gaming" mice have to have such queer designs? confusedsmiley.png

No its not, where you grip it the mouse is \-/ actually, very easy to see if you look from the front or the back of the mouse, Again though, you bought a small mouse expecting it not to be tiny, i think you would have been better off with the ec1 eVo, as its longer, somewhat prevening you to have to have the mouse far forward to hold it
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(-) Right/left mouse button click distance is too long, and there is too much play, especially in the right button. The buttons/clicks do not feel similar to IE3.0 at all. I think this is because the buttons are much longer than IE3.0, where a shorter hinge point creates a much more tactile, responsive click. I mean, for crap's sake, you can actually press/activate the R/L buttons from the MIDDLE/top of the mouse! On IE3.0/WMO, you can see where the entire buttons are, so there is no guessing, and no problems.

Im unsure what made you think it would be the same clicks as the 3.0, being a full top shell and not cut off, and different switches, and material.
my ec1 eVo was more tactile than my IME 3.0, But also harder to press, being able to press the left and right button from the middle of the mouse is not a negative thing unless it makes you do it by accident.
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(-) The scroll wheel is nice and grippy and oversized and all, but the scrolling action is too stiff. It's not a smooth, mechanical feeling at all. It's like using some old, dirty, bound-up rubberdome VS a nice, lubricated mechanical switch. The G400's scrolling is excellent, in contrast. Not that I even use scroll in games, lol.

I felt the scroll was slightly better than the G400, it was very grippy which made it very easy to scroll, but with good feedback, and i use scroll in games too to duckjump

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(-) This is a tricky call, but I'm gonna go ahead and say the side buttons are too far back, and it never hurts to make them more pronounced and separated, or larger. smile.gif IE3.0 side buttons are good, G400 even better, so let's not take steps backward, shall we?

Again on this one, you bought a small mouse, expecting it not to be small, if you had bought the larger version (ec1 eVo), the buttons would be more forward, somewhat reliveing this issue for you maybe, I actually prefer this shape of the side buttons above all over mice ive tried, the IME 3.0 has good placement of side buttons, but IME 3.0 quality being what it is, theyre loose, the G400 has tiny buttons in my opinion, some likes that, some dont. Overall id say the buttons on the ec eVo, is a step forward in quality.
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(-) Rubber coating on the top, provides no grip for me.

i too would prefer a glossy top and grippy sides, but the coating is the same as the sides, you just sweat less on your palm than on the fingertips, like i do i guess.
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The bottom line for me is: this mouse makes my IE3.0 feel great :\ My perfect mouse would be a blend of IE3.0 and WMO, I think I now know. So, this mouse is definitely not for me, and definitely not similar to the IE3.0. This mouse is more of it's own thing(unique), than any other mouse, as far as I know.

this mouse has never been said to be like the IME 3.0, the EC1 has however, since its bigger and closer to the size of the IME 3.0, This one is being resembled to the 1.1 if im not mistaken.

Sidenote here, my perfect mouse would be the DA sensor in the IE 3.0 shell, with ec1 eVo side button quality, and overall build quality of the ec eVo, with the eVo's scroll aswell hold on, gonna go *** to the thought of that.

It seems to me you only list the negatives on anything you touch, how are they supposed to know what direction to go in if you only list the bad and not the good?
Edited by Axaion - 4/17/12 at 11:28am
post #4 of 21
yeah, i'm using some alienlike palm/fingertip on my IME 3.0 myself, and ive got average sized hands, i guess im not from earth :]
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post

That's because IME 3.0 is a GREAT mouse.

Great, we agree. That's exactly what I'm saying - new mice should be BETTER, an improvement of the old.
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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post

Why do you think there's all this hype around it? IME, IMO and even WMO are superior to many of these recently released mice. For some strange reason i can claw/fingertip grip my IME and it feels almost perfect, but i never got a good grip on these EC mice.

Great, we agree again. And it's* NOT* "for some strange reason"...but simply because of the design, which can easily be replicated.
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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post

On another note are you just trying to piss people off with these "reviews" or is there a point i'm missing? To follow your idea i can make 200 of these so called "dirty reviews", but why waste my time? 90% of what your saying is personal preference. If your trying to help somebody (or get help), you're doing it the wrong way, seriously.

This is my take on the mouse, that's all. The more info the better, opinionated or not.
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by Axaion 
I hope you realize the coating is the same all over the mouse.

Nope, the top and side coatings are different. Top is stickier, side is slippy. They may both be rubber, but different grades of rubber. Harder rubber = slippy, softer = more grippy.
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Im unsure what made you think it would be the same clicks as the 3.0, being a full top shell and not cut off, and different switches, and material.

Did I say I thought it would be like IE3.0, and therefore bought it for that reason? confusedsmiley.png I knew this mouse wasn't going to be great, assuming the shape and everything was good... just because of it not being the white version.
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I felt the scroll was slightly better than the G400, it was very grippy which made it very easy to scroll, but with good feedback, and i use scroll in games too to duckjump

Easy to scroll?! Seriously?? That's about the hardest pressure scroll of any mouse I've used. confusedsmiley.png
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Again on this one, you bought a small mouse, expecting it not to be small, if you had bought the larger version (ec1 eVo), the buttons would be more forward, somewhat reliveing this issue for you maybe. Overall id say the buttons on the ec eVo, is a step forward in quality.

Nah, the size makes no difference, when the sides slant like this. The clicks of most modern mouse side buttons feel fine, and are better than IE3.0's, yes.... but then they go and screw up the position/size/protrusion. (but then again, I haven't tried EC1 yet, so it *may* actually feel better =p )
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It seems to me you only list the negatives on anything you touch, how are they supposed to know what direction to go in if you only list the bad and not the good?

Lol, did I not say how each negative could be improved? confusedsmiley.png
I could bear to compromise with a mouse that has an odd sensor like this, if the rest of the mouse were OK for me.
Edited by CT007 - 4/17/12 at 12:45pm
post #7 of 21
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Nope, the top and side coatings are different. Top is stickier, side is slippy. They may both be rubber, but different grades of rubber. Harder rubber = slippy, softer = more grippy.

Top and side coating felt 100% the same for me, ive no idea if thats a QC issue or something.
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Did I say I thought it would be like IE3.0, and therefore bought it for that reason? confusedsmiley.png I knew this mouse wasn't going to be great, assuming the shape and everything was good... just because of it not being the white version.

You compared it to the IME 3.0, and you want it to be like the IME 3.0, why you didnt get the one which resembles the IME 3.0 closer.. is what i was wondering
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Easy to scroll?! Seriously?? That's about the hardest pressure scroll of any mouse I've used. confusedsmiley.png
I guess it differs, some people say that Mechanical Keyboards with MX blacks are hard to press aswell, but i bottom them out like theyre warm butter, preference i guess is all, was easy for me to scroll
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Nah, the size makes no difference, when the sides slant like this. The clicks of most modern mouse side buttons feel fine, and are better than IE3.0's, yes.... but then they go and screw up the position/size/protrusion. (but then again, I haven't tried EC1 yet, so it *may* actually feel better =p )

Sides was fine for me, since its a \-/ shape where i held it and not / / like you said you held your EC2
post #8 of 21
I absolutely love the EC2 mouse. I'm just waiting for a U.S. retailer to start selling the evo.
    
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I absolutely love the EC2 mouse. I'm just waiting for a U.S. retailer to start selling the evo.

What other mice do you like?
post #10 of 21
I loved the Zowie AM sensor, and the stiffer switches. Just didn't like the shape to much. I liked my old Logitech MX510, 518. Loved my old DA. I've tried the IE3.0 but I just find it big and bulky feeling.... I find the EC2 is the perfect size, and the most comfortable mouse I've used. Now the I currently own the White EC2 which is a little easier to grip because it doesn't have the coating, if I need to I can sand the coating off on the side grips.
Edited by b0z0 - 4/17/12 at 1:58pm
    
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