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That was a huge help. Please take a look at your 12V graph. Assuming that OCCT is properly reporting your 12V output, it is very very low. You can double check this reading if you have a multimeter (digital preferred). Put your rig under load and check your 12V output from one of the spare molex connectors coming off your power supply. Place the black lead from the MM into one of the ground (black wire) on the molex, and put the red lead from the MM into the 12V (yellow wire) on the molex and confirm the reading. OCCT seems to indicate that you have a power supply problem. And, if that is true could very well be causing the issues you are reporting.

The ATX Power Supply Specification requires that the +12V rail deliver 12V +/- 5%. So the nominal reading from the multimeter would be 12V, minimum voltage = 11.4v and maximum voltage = 12.6v

However, in practice most good and properly operating power supplies will read at minimum 11.8v or higher under load.
Edited by wevsspot - 4/20/12 at 8:56am
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post #52 of 93
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eather way its still 20 watts shy of 500 they rounded up max is 480

No.... Thats just on the 12v rail.


And above:

Software 12v, 5v, and 3.3v monitors are very inaccurate.
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Whitefire, I'm so confused - total output claimed on the ATX sticker is 500W with amperage split evenly between the 3.3, 5 and 12v rails (look at the rated amperage on each). In reality any decent performance power supply is going to sku the most amperage to the 12v output(s) because that's where it's needed the most.

Their specification sticker is probably miss-leading at best. The fact that they chose to reach the rated output by overloading the 3.3 and 5v rails tells the whole story.

For example, a decent mid-range power supply would have loaded the rails something similar to this;
+3.3V@24A, +5V@20A, +12V@34A, -12V@0.3A, +5VSB@2.5A

If I was personally in this pickle (and based on the info we have to this point) the first thing I would do is replace the power supply.
Edited by wevsspot - 4/20/12 at 12:00pm
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post #54 of 93
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450
Does this help?

as you see from the sticker at the bottem of the psu it has a total for all the rails of 480 watts
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Originally Posted by wevsspot View Post

Whitefire, I'm so confused - total output claimed on the ATX sticker is 500W split with amperage split evenly between the 3.3, 5 and 12v rails (look at the rated amperage on each). In reality any decent performance power supply is going to sku the most amperage to the 12v output(s) because that's where it's needed the most.
Their specification sticker is probably miss-leading at best. The fact that they chose to reach the rated output by overloading the 3.3 and 5v rails tells the whole story.
For example, a decent mid-range power supply would have loaded the rails something similar to this;
+3.3V@24A, +5V@20A, +12V@34A, -12V@0.3A, +5VSB@2.5A
If I was personally in this pickle (and based on the info we have to this point) the first thing I would do is replace the power supply.

I wasnt talking to you when I said that tongue.gif
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post #56 of 93
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Originally Posted by wevsspot View Post

Whitefire, I'm so confused - total output claimed on the ATX sticker is 500W split with amperage split evenly between the 3.3, 5 and 12v rails (look at the rated amperage on each). In reality any decent performance power supply is going to sku the most amperage to the 12v output(s) because that's where it's needed the most.
Their specification sticker is probably miss-leading at best. The fact that they chose to reach the rated output by overloading the 3.3 and 5v rails tells the whole story.
For example, a decent mid-range power supply would have loaded the rails something similar to this;
+3.3V@24A, +5V@20A, +12V@34A, -12V@0.3A, +5VSB@2.5A
If I was personally in this pickle (and based on the info we have to this point) the first thing I would do is replace the power supply.

The problem is that you are looking at the amperage and the not the wattage, which is the actual measurement of power. Remember that Watts = Volts * Amps.

So, if it has 30A on the 3.3V line, that's only 100W, whilst 30A on the 12V is 360W, so most of the power IS concentrated on the 12V line. Bottom Line: Look at the wattage numbers, not the amperage.

It is capable of providing 500W, but 20W of it must come from the -12V and standby power lines, and 120W more must come from the 5V and 3.3 lines.

In reality, 30A on the 12V is a little low, but I doubt he's pulling that much, especially when he's not even gaming.

Trying a new PSU is still not a bad idea, but personally, I'd reseat the CPU and see if that helps. That's after it passes a rather long memtest.
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The problem is that you are looking at the amperage and the not the wattage, which is the actual measurement of power. Remember that Watts = Volts * Amps.
So, if it has 30A on the 3.3V line, that's only 100W, whilst 30A on the 12V is 360W, so most of the power IS concentrated on the 12V line. Bottom Line: Look at the wattage numbers, not the amperage.
It is capable of providing 500W, but 20W of it must come from the -12V and standby power lines, and 120W more must come from the 5V and 3.3 lines.
In reality, 30A on the 12V is a little low, but I doubt he's pulling that much, especially when he's not even gaming.
Trying a new PSU is still not a bad idea, but personally, I'd reseat the CPU and see if that helps. That's after it passes a rather long memtest.

OK first I need to reset CPU? (how do I reset it?) then I'll run a long memtest yes? and if the memory is OK I'll try new PSU?

Do I understood correctly?
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OK first I need to reset CPU? (how do I reset it?) then I'll run a long memtest yes? and if the memory is OK I'll try new PSU?
Do I understood correctly?

Reset the CPU meaning physical seat the cpu properly in socket. what motherboard you got ? Reset CPU/ Mem / GPU (if you are using a PCIE card).
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Reset the CPU meaning physical seat the cpu properly in socket. what motherboard you got ? Reset CPU/ Mem / GPU (if you are using a PCIE card).

Manufacturer ASRock
Model K10N78D (CPUSocket)

So I just need to take out CPU / Mem / GPU (yes its PCI express). And then put them back together?


PS my English is to weak to fully understand wevsspot what he tries to say rolleyes.gif.
Edited by WekizZ - 4/20/12 at 11:31am
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Manufacturer ASRock
Model K10N78D (CPUSocket)
So I just need to take out CPU / Mem / GPU (yes its PCI express). And then put them back together?
PS my English is to weak to fully understand wevsspot what he tries to say rolleyes.gif.

Is your mobo 4+1 phase ? Yes take them out and put them properly , hope you know how to handle computer hardware. You might as well check the TIM on the cpu as you are anyway going to reset it.
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