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Ah, I actually like that idea a lot. My mobo may have been covered there three years ago but looks like mostly their expensive newer boards.
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post #12 of 22
By testing two different motherboards and experiencing identical symptoms we can safely say your motherboard is not responsible for this issue.

I would point my finger at the hard drive. If you got that pop up after swapping out the motherboard it is normal. Windows keeps track of the ID # on your network card, and if you change your motherboard that number changes and the popup will manifest.

If you swapped out the mother boards a while back and the popup is appearing out of the blue, then I think we can safely say your hard drive is having some issues.

To test for voltage fluctuation the most reliable way is to use a multimeter. Simply find an un-used molex connector and touch the multimeter leads to the 12V +/- pins while the computer is running.(monitor the voltage readings at idle and then under load for massive fluctuations)

Still try that other graphics card just to be sure, but I'm definitely feeling like all of your parts going bad at once doesn't seem likely.
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By testing two different motherboards and experiencing identical symptoms we can safely say your motherboard is not responsible for this issue.
I would point my finger at the hard drive. If you got that pop up after swapping out the motherboard it is normal. Windows keeps track of the ID # on your network card, and if you change your motherboard that number changes and the popup will manifest.
If you swapped out the mother boards a while back and the popup is appearing out of the blue, then I think we can safely say your hard drive is having some issues.
To test for voltage fluctuation the most reliable way is to use a multimeter. Simply find an un-used molex connector and touch the multimeter leads to the 12V +/- pins while the computer is running.(monitor the voltage readings at idle and then under load for massive fluctuations)
Still try that other graphics card just to be sure, but I'm definitely feeling like all of your parts going bad at once doesn't seem likely.

I wouldn't call them symptoms really. After slightly upping the voltage on the GPU and OC'ing very minorly I haven't seen the clocks jump back down to 400/900 or anything else too unusual. Thing is I've been having weird issues like that with this card ever since I got it, so it's hard to say specifically where that came from. The problem is while using the EVGA x58 motherboard the picture quality was actually pretty significantly degraded. It's very noticeable that certain things that weren't so washed out are now very washed out so whatever happened whether it be PSU voltage or... (motherboard issues?) What exactly going on with the motherboard could actually damage your components? I thought only electrical spikes from the wall or PSU or whatever could damage components? That wouldn't make sense that when your motherboard wears out and gets old it chews away at your components...

Also, if it was the motherboard. The motherboard also did something to my sound card making the sound quality slightly worse. Hooked up to my mobo sound I notice no distortion and slight distortion with the Prelude.

So mainly at this point what I'm worried about is whether or not I can use the EVGA x58 anymore, don't want to risk damaging my components anymore. I also doubted that it was the PSU, judging that i've replaced the PSU with a brand new one just a couple months ago to see if anything changed and nothing did it's probably not that.

I did a reformat just a couple months ago too and I only install things that I need, no viruses or anything, etc. So I highly doubt it's the HDD.

With corrosion on the motherboard that must be doing something right? But I really don't know how exactly a mobo could damage your components.
Edited by Peteman990 - 4/17/12 at 2:53pm
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Well I would say sound card issues, in addition to video output issues, both present when using either motherboard, define a set of symptoms pretty damn well. It also indicates that the motherboard is not the cause.....

If you have some information you would like to add (like if the sound card worked fine in one, and in the other the video was not washed out) then I would change my diagnosis.
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I will set up the EVGA x58 again tomorrow or so and see if that changes anything. The distortion of the sound is not manifesting itself at the moment so I guess it could be blamed on interference? Although I haven't changed anything so it makes no sense. I changed the power outlet my Z-906 speakers were plugged into on the phone w/ Logitech support and that solved the distortion at the time but it came back a few days later warranting me to send the Z-906 back for another replacement thinking they were defective. So sound is unpredictable at the moment and I won't worry about it.

EDIT: Just swapped the DVI cable coming from my monitor from the first output to the 2nd output on the GPU and it dropped the volume by about 1/4. What the heck?? Based on how unpredictable the sound card is at the moment I can't tell if it's damaged or not anymore or where the distortion is coming from when it shows up.

The EVGA x58 might have somehow damaged my GPU is what I was trying to convey. So swapping the damaged GPU from one motherboard to the other wouldn't change anything. Having corrosion on it, being used and not knowing what it went through and all.

Is it possible for a worn out motherboard to damage components?

If not, then my fears about using the EVGA x58 again will be unwarranted.
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Anything is "possible" when it comes to electronics, the question is what is the likelihood that this is actually happening? I personally think that the motherboard can't supply enough power to damage your graphics card even if there was a component failure.

Also as I keep re-iterating, typically when an electronic component is damaged by something (a surge or the wrong voltage) it is dead, and if it continues to function it will be in a minimal way.(fan still spinning but no monitor output, or monitor output but no stability in games, or tons of artifacts all the time)

If the GPU was damaged then I would say there's something like a 99% chance that you would not be able to get it to play games.

Inconsistent problems can be very difficult to track down, but if you are really determined there is always a cause.

bulb.gif Have you tried listening to the music while gaming? This should give you a good idea of whether or not the 5970 is creating any harmful interference. Perhaps they are mutually interfering, and the variable power draw of these components would explain why the condition does not always manifest. Try taking out the sound card to see if the colors are still washed out.

Edit: If it was the HDD then the problem would most likely be more consistent, if the issues come and go then I guess that's not likely to be the culprit.

Also you should have no fear of that motherboard damaging your components, unless there were different symptoms between the two motherboards. It sounds to me like all of your components are functioning the way they are designed, and that you are experiencing an incompatible combination. Are you sure that you have not installed any new drivers or updates recently?
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It may sound stupid, but did you double-check your cables? I had what I thought was a problem with SLI once, and it was a loose DVI connector.

Same thing with your speaker cables. Check both ends.

If moving the cables around changes things, then it's not your hardware.
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post #18 of 22
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Anything is "possible" when it comes to electronics, the question is what is the likelihood that this is actually happening? I personally think that the motherboard can't supply enough power to damage your graphics card even if there was a component failure.
Also as I keep re-iterating, typically when an electronic component is damaged by something (a surge or the wrong voltage) it is dead, and if it continues to function it will be in a minimal way.(fan still spinning but no monitor output, or monitor output but no stability in games, or tons of artifacts all the time)
If the GPU was damaged then I would say there's something like a 99% chance that you would not be able to get it to play games.
Inconsistent problems can be very difficult to track down, but if you are really determined there is always a cause.
bulb.gif Have you tried listening to the music while gaming? This should give you a good idea of whether or not the 5970 is creating any harmful interference. Perhaps they are mutually interfering, and the variable power draw of these components would explain why the condition does not always manifest. Try taking out the sound card to see if the colors are still washed out.
Edit: If it was the HDD then the problem would most likely be more consistent, if the issues come and go then I guess that's not likely to be the culprit.
Also you should have no fear of that motherboard damaging your components, unless there were different symptoms between the two motherboards. It sounds to me like all of your components are functioning the way they are designed, and that you are experiencing an incompatible combination. Are you sure that you have not installed any new drivers or updates recently?

+rep. Very helpful and informative. I will try removing the sound card. You have relieved my fears of the motherboard thank you. I have two GTX 680's coming, and I would like to use the EVGA x58 since I can OC to 4ghz easily so I guess I will. Maybe it was just a coincidence that these two things happened within such a short time of eachother. That is really what got me thinking there was a problem somewhere, I thought something happened that damaged both components but I will lay my fears to rest for the moment and I am willing to bet the new GPU's will solve the washed out effect. If not, i'll look at the monitor for the cause!

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It may sound stupid, but did you double-check your cables? I had what I thought was a problem with SLI once, and it was a loose DVI connector.
Same thing with your speaker cables. Check both ends.
If moving the cables around changes things, then it's not your hardware.

Yeah i've try re-seating and checking the cables and all that jibber jabber to no avail.
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post #19 of 22
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I noticed this after doing some gaming today.

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That can't be right, can it? This is on the motherboard that I know has no issues like this... the trusty ASUS that won't OC my CPU worth much
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Haha of course not dude! That's incorrect. HWmonitor (and any other temp program) isn't perfect....misreadings aren't uncommon.
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