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Responce from Dice after I contacted them.

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Hi,

Thank you for contacting EA Technical Support. I understand that you are inquiring about the software that was included in the retail version of Battlefield 2142. I’m sorry for the frustration this may have caused you.

This has been a considerable issue for all fans of the Battlefield series and we in Technical Support have received numerous letters such as yours demanding some kind of explanation for the situation.

While Technical Support has no direct information regarding this issue, we have been able to get official word regarding the nature of this software and its functions directly from the game's own developers:

=========================
Greetings,

We would like to provide more information on in-game advertising in Battlefield 2142. To try and help everyone better understand it, here is how it works.

The in-game advertisement is respectful of players' privacy: it never accesses files not directly related to the game, and it does not capture personal data such as cookies, account login detail, gameplay behavior or surfing history. As it is an integrated part of Battlefield 2142 and not a separate program, it only runs when the game is running.

Because BF2142 delivers ads by region, the IP address of the player is used to determine the region of the player and helps serve ads by region and language; for instance, a player in Paris will be presented with ads in French. Note that this IP address is not stored on the advertisement server and is not repurposed for other uses.

A unique ID number is anonymously assigned the first time the player joins a Battlefield 2142 online game. It is stored locally on the PC but is not linked to any personal details.

The in-game advertisement gathers what we call “impression data”, such as location of the billboard in the game or duration of advertisement impression. It helps see how many people have seen an ad – but not who has seen it.

We are also conscious that the advertisement shouldn’t distract the player from the overall gaming experience, so all ads fit in the unique environment of each level in the game. The content of the ads is also controlled to ensure that no offensive content is displayed in Battlefield 2142.

We all hope that this explanation will address recent concerns on the advertisement in Battlefield 2142.

See you on the Battlefield.

Your Dice Live Team
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post #83 of 158
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Originally Posted by TartanPimp
shocking attempt to suck even more revenue from the punter. I love BF2 and have had to put up with a lot of EA patch **** and they still had the cheek to charge money for sub standard additional maps, its quite frankly a kick in the nuts. They are the Microsoft of the gaming fraternity. It is well known that they are in bed with nvidia and make there games such a nightmare for ATI users that we consider swapping brand. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they had shares in each other.

To the people who say 'who cares' remember Sony stuck some rootkit software on their disks that opened your PC to hacker attacks. Still don't care ?

So I am also to let them use my bandwidth to make them money ? its pitiful and funny !

I will be raising this issue with my gaming buddies.
just thinking how dark and covert all this is. There has been a very heavy advertising campaign setout by EA with constant remminders for current BF2 users litterec everywhere and in game at the game HUD. Anyway a lot of people have been duped into preregistering well before the game release at the revelation we have now. All those poor buggers have already been duped into buying the game before and I am 99% sure given this information wouldn't have parted with their pennies.

What can be done ? well one thing is ask all the security software developers adaware, spybot etc. to block. In fact won't the heuristic type programs stop this game working in the 1st place ?

I still stick with my qoute....I am raging with this. EA appear to be covert and seedy in their operations.
post #84 of 158
This needs to added to the first post of this thread, so people see it. If it stays only on page 9, it will get lost and the thread will repeat itself many times.

Quote:
Hi,

Thank you for contacting EA Technical Support. I understand that you are inquiring about the software that was included in the retail version of Battlefield 2142. I’m sorry for the frustration this may have caused you.

This has been a considerable issue for all fans of the Battlefield series and we in Technical Support have received numerous letters such as yours demanding some kind of explanation for the situation.

While Technical Support has no direct information regarding this issue, we have been able to get official word regarding the nature of this software and its functions directly from the game's own developers:

=========================
Greetings,

We would like to provide more information on in-game advertising in Battlefield 2142. To try and help everyone better understand it, here is how it works.

The in-game advertisement is respectful of players' privacy: it never accesses files not directly related to the game, and it does not capture personal data such as cookies, account login detail, gameplay behavior or surfing history. As it is an integrated part of Battlefield 2142 and not a separate program, it only runs when the game is running.

Because BF2142 delivers ads by region, the IP address of the player is used to determine the region of the player and helps serve ads by region and language; for instance, a player in Paris will be presented with ads in French. Note that this IP address is not stored on the advertisement server and is not repurposed for other uses.

A unique ID number is anonymously assigned the first time the player joins a Battlefield 2142 online game. It is stored locally on the PC but is not linked to any personal details.

The in-game advertisement gathers what we call “impression data”, such as location of the billboard in the game or duration of advertisement impression. It helps see how many people have seen an ad – but not who has seen it.

We are also conscious that the advertisement shouldn’t distract the player from the overall gaming experience, so all ads fit in the unique environment of each level in the game. The content of the ads is also controlled to ensure that no offensive content is displayed in Battlefield 2142.

We all hope that this explanation will address recent concerns on the advertisement in Battlefield 2142.

See you on the Battlefield.

Your Dice Live Team
But, why does everyone have a problem with target marketing? This has been around LONG before the internet, but now everyone freaks out because someone knows what city you live in, or what book you bought at Amazon.com (gotta love that thing that tells you "people who bought this book also bought...." that's one of the best feature on that website.) Big deal.

My english class at DeVry University looked into this topic and developed arguments for and against the gathering of information online. All the arguments for it were the strongest. Basically, who cares about what book you bought, or where you live based on your IP address. So what if I see ads on random websites for things around Seattle. How'd they know i live there? More importantly, why should i care that they know. Great, i see ads for seattle stuff. I'd rather see that than ads for European things, or stuff over in New York. Yay for target marketing...

Simple information like that is not important enough to matter. Privacy matters when things like your credit card or bank account information is at risk, or something like you SSN. THESE are the things that matter, and that's where privacy becomes important.

Just my $0.02
post #85 of 158
knowledge is power....every little bit of information that is solicited in what is quite obviously a covert manner should come under scrutiny. I pay for bandwidth and want my games to make the best use of it. Can you imagine how much money EA will generate from advertising. You will soon find its all about the adverts and not the game play.

The response from EA is wolf in sheeps clothing.
post #86 of 158
Criminals don't need much to steal your identity. Name, address, DOB and they can open a bank account, get a loan/ mortgage and generally cause havoc.

Back on topic how often does anyone tick the boxes agreeing to be contacted by third party companies. Personally ? never ! sorry I did once and ended up with sales reps in Karachi phoning me every 5 mins and waking up my kids at all hours. Once it starts I am positive it will get worse. So can you decline to partake in this feature ? do you have the option to say no ?
post #87 of 158
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Originally Posted by Kramy
The way he described it is almost identical to how it works with TVs.

They record the location of the player(or TV watcher).
They record the times the player(or watcher) is viewing ads.
They form a guess as to who their target is.
They market ads based on the time/location that are likely to suit the target.

So...unless I'm missing something...it's TV in a game, minus the show/movie.
That's not how TV works...the networks are not recording any of my behavior. They buy ads based on demographics compiled by marketing firms and representative viewer ratings. I.e., they don't know that I watched any given show, they just extrapolate through Nielsen ratings that people like me watched a show. And the Nielson participants are paid.

Now, Tivo and other DVRs are a different matter. I don't know whether or not they are sharing my TV watching behavior with advertisers, although I guess it would be naiive to think they are not. In which case, once again, I am outraged.
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Originally Posted by Tobuk
But, why does everyone have a problem with target marketing?
No one has a problem with target marketing. It's the covert spyware-like nature that they are doing the target marketing that bothers people. If EA had been right up front about it, e.g. asking for your country or region when you created your account, then there would not be such an outcry. But anytime someone tries to sneak information out of us, people are going to be pissed. And I cannot believe that companies have not learned this yet.

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Simple information like that is not important enough to matter. Privacy matters when things like your credit card or bank account information is at risk, or something like you SSN. THESE are the things that matter, and that's where privacy becomes important.
Privacy always matters. As has been said already, this is just the first thing they will do. Once everyone is numb to this and just accepts it as normal, then they'll go after something else.
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post #89 of 158
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Originally Posted by Tobuk
But, why does everyone have a problem with target marketing?
Because I hate marketing period? I don't need someone to tell me what to buy. I especially don't wnat to be bombarded with their "buy this, it's awesome" mumbo jumbo.

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Originally Posted by Tobuk
Simple information like that is not important enough to matter. Privacy matters when things like your credit card or bank account information is at risk, or something like you SSN. THESE are the things that matter, and that's where privacy becomes important.

Just my $0.02
Even moving past the fact that you take the statement on what it does (and assume that they will never change it), they are not asking permission. No one has addressed the point I made earlier.....this is similar to what Sony did a while back with their DRM on CDs......you don't know it's in there until you open the package. Opening the package means you can't return it, you own it. It's dishonest in addition to being slimey.

Next thing you know they will be beaming commercials into our dreams
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^ As I mentioned as well the Sony software compromised users PC's and made them susceptible to hackers.
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