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post #92 of 158
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Originally Posted by Tobuk
This needs to added to the first post of this thread, so people see it. If it stays only on page 9, it will get lost and the thread will repeat itself many times.



But, why does everyone have a problem with target marketing? This has been around LONG before the internet, but now everyone freaks out because someone knows what city you live in, or what book you bought at Amazon.com (gotta love that thing that tells you "people who bought this book also bought...." that's one of the best feature on that website.) Big deal.

My english class at DeVry University looked into this topic and developed arguments for and against the gathering of information online. All the arguments for it were the strongest. Basically, who cares about what book you bought, or where you live based on your IP address. So what if I see ads on random websites for things around Seattle. How'd they know i live there? More importantly, why should i care that they know. Great, i see ads for seattle stuff. I'd rather see that than ads for European things, or stuff over in New York. Yay for target marketing...

Simple information like that is not important enough to matter. Privacy matters when things like your credit card or bank account information is at risk, or something like you SSN. THESE are the things that matter, and that's where privacy becomes important.

Just my $0.02
Privacy is important for everything, if you give up a little it will be exploited untill your giving up all of it
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I dont see what all the hysteria is about. If you use GMAIL you've already been subjected to this, so what's the big deal? So long as no private and/or personal information is obtained, I don't see the problem.
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Originally Posted by ElMikeTheMike
I dont see what all the hysteria is about. If you use GMAIL you've already been subjected to this, so what's the big deal? So long as no private and/or personal information is obtained, I don't see the problem.
But Gmail is free. BF2142 isnt. Plus you agree to that when you sign up for Gmail, with BF2142, unless you have prior knowledge, you unknowingly agree when you buy it.
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Originally Posted by DaRkLoRd65535
well it still slows down the system, dont u care about your fps?
Really? How much? Give us some numbers.
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Finally an intelligent response from that point of view.

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Originally Posted by mrjminer
Anyways, I smell class-action if they aren't putting this on the outside of the box.

Also, do you guys really think a company like EA is going to ONLY scan game related files and the like if you give them full permission to basically monitor everything on your computer? Perhaps at first, until people forget about it and they want to make money; they will cash-in on having full permission to monitor your activities if they get the opportunity. If you buy this game, you're a fool and you deserve whatever happens to you.

I won't argue privacy, if you install it you give it up per their warning. I will, however, argue business ethics--and not putting this disclaimer on the outside of the box is completely and utterly unethical. I give them three weeks after release to get the hell sued out of them when retailers won't accept games back from people who were not informed prior to opening the box.
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post #97 of 158
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Originally Posted by TartanPimp
knowledge is power....every little bit of information that is solicited in what is quite obviously a covert manner should come under scrutiny. I pay for bandwidth and want my games to make the best use of it. Can you imagine how much money EA will generate from advertising. You will soon find its all about the adverts and not the game play.

The response from EA is wolf in sheeps clothing.
Nice platitudes. Give specific examples of why this should come under scrutiny. What are your real concerns? We play on online game where all the online stuff is free. We pay at the time of purchase, and we don't have to pay another dime unless we want expansions. We don't have to worry about "beating the game"--it's always challenging. We have the freedom of a very large sandbox that can keep us entertained much longer than the average game. And just like in movies, freeways (paid for by our tax dollars), and clothing, we pay for advertisers to advertise to us. Technology makes this easier, not harder. If you aren't willing to sacrifice a little "privacy" for what Internet technology offers you, then maybe it's not the thing for you.
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post #98 of 158
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Originally Posted by SoaDMTGguy
Exept that when BF2 first came out was was basicly unplayable, and millions and millions of people still played it...

EA really seems to have gone down hill since BF1942. I dont think I will be buying any more of their games. BF2, for example, is so crappy out of the box that it feels like you are playing an alpha copy...
Well I found it more playable than after all their so-called 'patches' wich actually made it worse..
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If you aren't willing to sacrifice a little "privacy" for what Internet technology offers you, then maybe it's not the thing for you.
I have no idea how old you are, but that was really spoken like a youngster who has lived his whole life "connected" and never understood the real concepts behind privacy. What's next, you're going to toss out the Bill of Rights because some things are easier without them?

Look, I've been using the internet for almost 20 years now, starting in the late 80s to be exact. Some of you were there with me, but most of you didn't even know what an "internet" was until it was all prettied up with the WWW for you. I've been dealing with the privacy vs. functionality issue as a matter of daily course for years and years as part of my job.

So it really gets my goat when someone comes along with ridiculous generalizations like this. You're trying to break this down into a black-and-white argument; and although I think we actually can do that here, you're drawing the line in the wrong place. "This internet thing is not for you..." Give me a break! The internet is for everyone, it's difficult to imagine life without it. (It's not difficult to imagine a www without ads sucking away your bandwidth...man, those were the days.)

If you wanted to try and draw a crappy line, at least draw it at "online gaming may not be for you". But even that is misguided, because that's not the issue. The issue is the undisclosed transmission, storage, and use of your physical location and other activies not directly related to the product you purchased. If they had simply disclosed it up front, outside the box, then those of us so pissed about this would not have a leg to stand on, because then we would have had the option not to buy a product that we felt infringed upon our privacy. As it is, EA was deceptive at best.
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Well- said, VD. However, the issue for me is about choice. EA has, over the last few years , really become a money-grubbing behemoth that's willing to do whatever is necessary ( nevermind ethos) to make another buck. They've abandonned their user base in almost every arena of PC game , especially in the sporting games. The only real choice we have is to respond with our wallets. In that spirit, I've made the decision not to by ANYTHING from EA again.
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