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I think they might one day. I will always support them because of price/performance ratio and simply because I respect the old Athlon line that I used to run and game with etc, so much that I gotta stick with them. They were on top before, just give them some time.
post #12 of 55
simple answer

no

not ever =)

but theyre doing well with gpu's and other things so it doesnt really matter to them .. Intel is just intel , its every little bit of awsome .
    
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Their old incompetent CEO (2 CEO's ago) nearly killed the company. Some years later its effects still show. I'm confident this CEO is the right person for the job.
There's no reason they can't build a competitive core now, Intel's much much bigger yes, but AMD isn't exactly a Mom and Pop shop.
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simple answer
no
not ever =)
but theyre doing well with gpu's and other things so it doesnt really matter to them .. Intel is just intel , its every little bit of awsome .
I think you like Intel a little too much.
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Never say "never" ! All it takes is for AMD to make a breakthrough that Intel missed (and actually implement it cleanly ) and boom they have the lead again - most likely only for a short time though as Intel's R&D budget would allow them to throw ( a HUGE amount of ) money at the problem until they get the lead back . Even just a change in the market AMD was prepared for and Intel not - Intel has made mis-steps before they will undoubtedly do it again - AMD just has to capitalise on it OH and actually do so without fumbling the ball !
It is possible - not likely any time soon - but possible .
post #15 of 55
I agree Intel is flat out better in most aspects of CPU design. AMD typically just reuses the same stuff for years instead of pushing themselves into new areas of development.

However, AMD dominates the Price/Performance markets. Just look at the APU line up. I as a buisness owner love AMD cause I can give my customers quad core media PC's on the cheap. Cheaper for me to build means better for my clients.

I actually have a catalog for "gaming" computers and I hardky ever sell a i5 or i7 cause people want to be able to play the game and thats it, and as usual AMD gets the job done and on a budget. Testing out a APU as a matter of fact tommorow for a new build for my customers.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Malcolm View Post

They tried to do exactly that with BD, but they failed.

I remember reading a JF-AMD's post regarding how Bulldozer architecture wasn't designed with games in mind. They later made a gamer-oriented version of the chip, but the goal of it was a superscalable architecture with lots and lots of threads.

I reserve my opinion towards Bulldozer, though.


Back to the thread. No, they will not. Because they aren't aiming either. AMD does not aim the performance crown right now, they aim the APU market and the cloud server market, which requiere completely different things than the enthusiast high performance desktop.
   
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It isn't just because Intel has more money, poor management decisions are still haunting AMD to this day.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Xristo View Post

simple answer
no
not ever =)
but theyre doing well with gpu's and other things so it doesnt really matter to them .. Intel is just intel , its every little bit of awsome .

You do not have any inclination what matters to AMD. Your blind with a bias view. Recognition of place and practicality is key to understanding AMD and Intel.

A raging clue. You need one.
Edited by xFALL3Nx - 4/18/12 at 1:20am
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It isn't just because Intel has more money, poor management decisions are still haunting AMD to this day.

That has been like that just after Sanders handed the CEO position. The dude that came after went with the 'moar cores' approach, and Dirk Meyer simply decided to go with automated designs instead of hand-drawn chips. He's also infamous for gaining the will to leave of the original Athlon64 team. Moar cores with automated designs means complete uttercrap.

Read has stated that he's going to change that approach, though.
   
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There's no reason they can't "catch up" if they create a good CPU design at some point. But I doubt seriously that you will ever see the day when AMD's best CPU's just trounce Intel's, like they did in the early days of the Athlon and the Athlon 64. There were some horrible mis-steps on the part of Intel that made that possible in both instances.

At the time the Athlon was introduced, Intel was the middle of making a terrible decision. The Pentium III was at the end of the line on the manufacturing processes that were available to Intel at the time. So they made the decision to develop the Pentium 4, which in its original incarnation was a design atrocity that makes Bulldozer look like a masterful execution by comparison. An FX-8150 can at least hang with an 1100T, and sometimes beat it. The original 1.4 GHz P4 often got spanked by 900 MHz P3's!

Intel got back in the game when they leveraged their superior manufacturing prowess to create P4's at such high clockspeeds that they were at least competitive with the Athlon anyway. They eventually took a slight lead with the Northwood P4 over the last Athlon XP's.

Then AMD upped the ante with their x86-64 technology, while Intel frittered away resources on the dead end that was NetBurst, and the even worse boondoggle that was called Itanium. AMD rolled out the A64 and took the lead again. That was when we saw Intel's pathetic P4 EE--the Emergency Edition, where they took a Xeon and sold it as a regular P4.

Of course, Intel has so many resources that they just took the work of their design team in Israel--who had finally created the improved Pentium III that Intel should have made in 1999 instead of the P4--and they ran with that, finally throwing NetBurst into the crapper. And so now we have had all the Core branded processors. The original R&D on that architecture was created by a secondary design team, which Intel could afford to pay for while still wasting billions trying to develop the Tejas P4 (DOA) and Itanium.

AMD could only dream of having a mulligan like that, where they can mess up on Bulldozer and just come back with a totally different design from another design team. If they make a mistake, the only thing they can do is try to mitigate the damage, like they did when the Phenom was terrible and they band-aided it into the Phenom II.
     
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