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Hello, 7970 which last time I checked is still awesome, This year with Trinity and yet to be tested Piledriver, I think AMD is going to stay in the game. I think we'll get our answer this year either way. With Intel chip prices dropping AMD can't have the lower budget consumer market anymore so they're going to have to start making better/faster home user CPU's. I think the 7970 was a really good indication were AMD is heading with their CPU's. If this can't be done, then yes I think AMD will be gone form the personal CPU market, AMD got a one off this year with the fx if that happens 2 years in a row then bye bye, so I don't believe thats happening.

Also with the Intel being sued, that part is true but not because they had better cpu's they struck back door deals with PC and retail companies. Best Buy was selling $799-$899 2600k systems last year, meaning Intel was doing some serious price slashing just to get AMD out of the way. I didn't even see an AMD desktop sold at Best Buy or Future Shop for almost 12 months so I think there was something fishy there and hence the sueing.

Anyways I hope AMD can pull it off, if not Windows will stiill be around.
 
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I have high hopes for AMD.

I don't really expect them to ever beat Intel again but I do think they'll catch up again. IB is pretty much the same as SB, and from what we're seeing we can expect a pretty hefty jump in performance from Piledriver.


Also... I don't expect anybody else to understand it lol, but I feel like AMD cpus have more "spirit" than Intel cpus lol. Overclocking my x6 is DEFINITELY more fun than my 2600k ever was.





Edit: Oh and opterons utterly destroy xeons in heavy computing biggrin.gif
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If Intel is still making quad-cores as their highest-end "mainstream" CPU by Haswell, yes, AMD will catch up. There's no 2 ways about it, a 10-core Steamroller (probably 20% higher IPC than BD) will destroy any quad-core Intel could hope to make in the next 5 years. And also, AMD will start offloading FP calculations to the integrated APU graphics in a couple years - that solves the Bulldozer-based CPU's lack of FP performance. The only boost AMD needs is more developers to use OpenGL and OpenCL to allow GPGPU acceleration of their programs. I just read that the newest WinZip can use OpenCL (it's a start). AMD can only benefit from developers working smarter.
 
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If Intel is still making quad-cores as their highest-end "mainstream" CPU by Haswell, yes, AMD will catch up. There's no 2 ways about it, a 10-core Steamroller (probably 20% higher IPC than BD) will destroy any quad-core Intel could hope to make in the next 5 years. And also, AMD will start offloading FP calculations to the integrated APU graphics in a couple years - that solves the Bulldozer-based CPU's lack of FP performance. The only boost AMD needs is more developers to use OpenGL and OpenCL to allow GPGPU acceleration of their programs. I just read that the newest WinZip can use OpenCL (it's a start). AMD can only benefit from developers working smarter.

Yeah, but 97% of users don't need anything more than 4 cores. A lot of them buy 4 core, but they sure don't need it.

Plus, say what you will about core count, but Intel can do with 4 cores what it takes AMD 6 to do...
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Yeah, but 97% of users don't need anything more than 4 cores. A lot of them buy 4 core, but they sure don't need it.
Plus, say what you will about core count, but Intel can do with 4 cores what it takes AMD 6 to do...

Well the problem is developers need to start writing more multithreaded apps and games. When they start to do that AMD's high core cpus should be much better.

Also it doesn't matter how many cores it takes. If AMD needs 1000 cores to match 4 of Intel's.... it still doesn't matter. The only things that matter are: Cost, Overall performance, Heat, and Wattage. Unfortunately AMD's had trouble with the last 2 in Bulldozer.
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Well the problem is developers need to start writing more multithreaded apps and games. When they start to do that AMD's high core cpus should be much better.

More threads = more complicated programming, there is no way around that. I honestly think once the patches come out for Bulldozer, then it will perform better. It just takes some time for support to come around.
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More threads = more complicated programming, there is no way around that. I honestly think once the patches come out for Bulldozer, then it will perform better. It just takes some time for support to come around.

I agree. It needs to be done though. Single thread performance is reaching a limit... the future is in massively multithreaded cpus.
 
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Since the crash in 2008 Intel's stock price has basically doubled where as AMD's stock has pretty much tripled.
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If Intel is still making quad-cores as their highest-end "mainstream" CPU by Haswell, yes, AMD will catch up. There's no 2 ways about it, a 10-core Steamroller (probably 20% higher IPC than BD) will destroy any quad-core Intel could hope to make in the next 5 years. And also, AMD will start offloading FP calculations to the integrated APU graphics in a couple years - that solves the Bulldozer-based CPU's lack of FP performance. The only boost AMD needs is more developers to use OpenGL and OpenCL to allow GPGPU acceleration of their programs. I just read that the newest WinZip can use OpenCL (it's a start). AMD can only benefit from developers working smarter.

Amdahl's law. You can only add so many cores before you reach the point of negligible performance boost. Additional core does not scale linearly. Most games and applications cannot take advantage of that many threads, even if developers coded it to use those threads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law
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Games really won't ever benefit from massively parallel programming. I'd love to explain it to you but I couldn't. I've just seen many times were devs say it's almost impossible to spread things evenly in a game engine and there will always be one main thread running most things even if you are able to offload physics/ai/other functions to other cores.

So yeah as far as games go I see Quad Cores being relevant to Steam Roller for sure and if IPC has still only been increased by 20% those very same Quads will still be better gaming chips.

Also AMD might as well stop at 8 cores for now and figure out how to increase IPC. The idea off offloading calcs to the GPU is nice but devs are never going to take advantage of that en masse until there is enough people using the right setups to make it worth the effort and there is never going to be enough people with those setups unless AMD really steps up and shows some sort of large advantage over Intel in either price or performance or preferabally both. Right now AMD doesn't even have the fab capacity to ship as many chips as Intel.

Make sure you read that right even if AMD chips were lighting the world on fire they don't have the capacity to outship Intel who has their own fabs. For this reason alone Intel is virtually guranteed a market leading position. AMD has got a long way to go to getting the company back on track.
    
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