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I'm guessing they will be shrinking the die down to 22nm ?

No, Intel is still out in front in terms of their Fab tech so companies like global foundries and TSMC are moving to 28nm.
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trinity the 2nd generation of Apu's I'm guessing

Sure is.
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does anyone know a ruff release date of the piledriver ?

Well we should be seeing piledriver cores in the new APU's so we should be able to get some idea of how the FX's will perform, but i dont expect to see 'pure' piledriver CPU's until the later part of this year seeing as how BD is not vey old at all.

Cheers
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post #22 of 31
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Originally Posted by novemberEcho View Post

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I'm guessing they will be shrinking the die down to 22nm ?

No, Intel is still out in front in terms of their Fab tech so companies like global foundries and TSMC are moving to 28nm.
Quote:
trinity the 2nd generation of Apu's I'm guessing

Sure is.
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does anyone know a ruff release date of the piledriver ?

Well we should be seeing piledriver cores in the new APU's so we should be able to get some idea of how the FX's will perform, but i dont expect to see 'pure' piledriver CPU's until the later part of this year seeing as how BD is not vey old at all.

Cheers
Zane
Alright thanks this reply was helpful

Does the size of the die effect performance and does the die size matter ? smile.gif
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Shouldn't the fx work better in photoshop then the 965?
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965> anything under an 8120 in the fx line by FAR.
Stay away from fx unless you can get a 8120 atleast, and a good cooler for a nice oc.
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Does the size of the die effect performance and does the die size matter ? smile.gif

I think you might be a little confused be between die size and size of a transistor. Die size is the physical area of the processor typically measured in mm^2 (ie BD is 315mm^2) where as the size of each individual transistor is measured in (nowadays) nanometers (nm).

As a general rule, reducing the size of the transistors will not effect the performance of a processor. If you do a straight die shrink you still have the same processor but in a physically smaller package so performance should stay the same. Where the performance increase comes from is the extra clock speed that the dis shrink allows for.

Cheers
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Edited by novemberEcho - 4/21/12 at 11:56pm
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post #26 of 31
this looks pretty decent to me here

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CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£78.00 @ Amazon UK)

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Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case (£33.78 @ Scan.co.uk)

Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£34.81 @ Maplin Electronics)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) (£69.08 @ Ebuyer)

Total: £355.26 Shipped

or if you really wan some GPU power then

Part list permalink

CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 455 3.3GHz Triple-Core Processor (£61.78 @ Maplin Electronics)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£35.99 @ Ebuyer)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£32.00 @ Maplin Electronics)

Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 6850 1GB Video Card (£96.99 @ Ebuyer)

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£29.98 @ Dabs)

Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£34.81 @ Maplin Electronics)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) (£69.08 @ Ebuyer)

Total: £360.63 Shipped

Hope you like it thumb.gif
Edited by Tarun - 4/22/12 at 12:58am
post #27 of 31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by novemberEcho View Post

Quote:
Does the size of the die effect performance and does the die size matter ? smile.gif
I think you might be a little confused be between die size and size of a transistor. Die size is the physical area of the processor typically measured in mm^2 (ie BD is 315mm^2) where as the size of each individual transistor is measured in (nowadays) nanometers (nm).
As a general rule, reducing the size of the transistors will not effect the performance of a processor. If you do a straight die shrink you still have the same processor but in a physically smaller package so performance should stay the same. Where the performance increase comes from is the extra clock speed that the dis shrink allows for.
Cheers
Zane

Ah i get you know thanks i always wondred if it effected performance but now i know it dose not thanks smile.gif
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this looks pretty decent to me here
Part list permalink
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£78.00 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£35.99 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£32.00 @ Maplin Electronics)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6770 1GB Video Card (£71.60 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case (£33.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£34.81 @ Maplin Electronics)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) (£69.08 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £355.26 Shipped
or if you really wan some GPU power then
Part list permalink
CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 455 3.3GHz Triple-Core Processor (£61.78 @ Maplin Electronics)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£35.99 @ Ebuyer)
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Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£34.81 @ Maplin Electronics)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) (£69.08 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £360.63 Shipped
Hope you like it thumb.gif

This Looks good thanks i will take all the parts into Consideration , I was thinking of getting a modular power supply as the fractal 1000 is a small case and i can get a full copy of windows 7 professional for £43.50 Of of software4students as i am only 14 ha so thanks anyway smile.gif
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try to save up a bit of cash for at least a HD 7770 and try to get a reliable PSU from Seasonic/Corsair/Antec

Novatech PSU's are good. I have the 500w Powerstation and I would say its just as good as my Seasonic.
 
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this looks pretty decent to me here Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£78.00 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£35.99 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£32.00 @ Maplin Electronics)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6770 1GB Video Card (£71.60 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case (£33.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£34.81 @ Maplin Electronics)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) (£69.08 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £355.26 Shipped
or if you really wan some GPU power then Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Part list permalink
CPU: AMD Athlon II X3 455 3.3GHz Triple-Core Processor (£61.78 @ Maplin Electronics)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£35.99 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£32.00 @ Maplin Electronics)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 6850 1GB Video Card (£96.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£29.98 @ Dabs)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply (£34.81 @ Maplin Electronics)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) (£69.08 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £360.63 Shipped
Hope you like it thumb.gif

This Looks good thanks i will take all the parts into Consideration , I was thinking of getting a modular power supply as the fractal 1000 is a small case and i can get a full copy of windows 7 professional for £43.50 Of of software4students as i am only 14 ha so thanks anyway smile.gif

which one do you lean toward the first or the second rig the cheapest quality Modular PSU is Antec TruePower 550W Modular Power Supply £59.46
or the
NZXT Hale82 650W Modular PSU £74.74 this is aq very solid PSU for its price i think buddy
lastly i would highly highly recommend the NZXT Elite 210 over Fractal 1ooo the front panel of the Case is some sort of metal netting and i current own a Case which is all most like it and trust me the dust that settles on the front panel is a plain to clean up redface.gif
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