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4/27/12 at 4:42pm
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This is incorrect. By definition, the color buffer (the frame) will not flip into view until after the display has updated its refresh, thus the "sync" in the vertical sync. The tearing is when the color buffer is flipped as the display is in mid-refresh. Where the visual tearing is the old frame being partially drawn on top and with the new frame on the bottom and you see the difference in the color buffer frames. This is why you only see tearing when things are moving on screen.

If you don't know what you're talking about, learn from the people who know. There's a reason I say what I say. Don't you think I've sat down and tested it? It is PLAINLY visible if you lock your framerate to your refresh rate without using vsync that there's tearing. I've sat down with a good camera with a high shutter speed and done objective testing.

No vsync, 120 FPS cap:
400

Vsync, no FPS cap:
400

There's actually a slight blur to the vsync picture, but it does not tear like a non-vsynced image.
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4/27/12 at 4:47pm
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I would rather have Tearing then Mouse lag. Im not doubting Anyone, My knowledge of the subject is not very deep.

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4/27/12 at 4:59pm
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This is incorrect. By definition, the color buffer (the frame) will not flip into view until after the display has updated its refresh, thus the "sync" in the vertical sync. The tearing is when the color buffer is flipped as the display is in mid-refresh. Where the visual tearing is the old frame being partially drawn on top and with the new frame on the bottom and you see the difference in the color buffer frames. This is why you only see tearing when things are moving on screen.

If you don't know what you're talking about, learn from the people who know. There's a reason I say what I say. Don't you think I've sat down and tested it? It is PLAINLY visible if you lock your framerate to your refresh rate without using vsync that there's tearing. I've sat down with a good camera with a high shutter speed and done objective testing.



There's actually a slight blur to the vsync picture, but it does not tear like a non-vsynced image.

This is true.

Limiting FPS in a game is NOT the same as vsync. If it worked in exactly the same way, then vsync/backbuffering would not be necessary.

Most game engines cannot maintain a precise framerate on their own, or know when the monitor is refreshing. It needs hardware help in the form of buffering and frame comparison to achieve sync with the monitor.

That being said, limiting the FPS in some engines will reduce visible tearing slightly.
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4/27/12 at 5:05pm
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This is true.
Limiting FPS in a game is NOT the same as vsync. If it worked in exactly the same way, then vsync/backbuffering would not be necessary.
Most game engines cannot maintain a precise framerate on their own, or know when the monitor is refreshing. It needs hardware help in the form of buffering and frame comparison to achieve sync with the monitor.
That being said, limiting the FPS in some engines will reduce visible tearing slightly.

Ye, it isn't as bad at the refresh rate as it is at 200+ FPS, but I don't notice tearing when gaming anyway. Some people are more sensitive towards tearing and they would hate anything without vsync.
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4/27/12 at 5:20pm
No vsync = migraines. Lower than 40fps = migraines.

Vsync off gives one, Vsync on gives the other. Adaptive vsync is a schizoid kid flipping between both rapidly.

I just cant win
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4/27/12 at 5:29pm
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No vsync = migraines. Lower than 40fps = migraines.
Vsync off gives one, Vsync on gives the other. Adaptive vsync is a schizoid kid flipping between both rapidly.
I just cant win

You can if you buy a proper graphics card.
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4/27/12 at 10:57pm
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You can if you buy a proper graphics card.

if by "proper" you mean over $600, sure. I'll get right on that. soon as games start coming out that are actually programmed right instead of sloppy cross-platform console-first games that abuse PC hardware's superiority.

In the mean time, my 295 is still more powerful than the vast majority of user's GPUs.
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4/28/12 at 1:57am
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If you don't know what you're talking about, learn from the people who know. There's a reason I say what I say. Don't you think I've sat down and tested it? It is PLAINLY visible if you lock your framerate to your refresh rate without using vsync that there's tearing. I've sat down with a good camera with a high shutter speed and done objective testing.
No vsync, 120 FPS cap:
400
Vsync, no FPS cap:
400
There's actually a slight blur to the vsync picture, but it does not tear like a non-vsynced image.

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. My point is that if v-sync is enabled, there should be no visual tearing. I wasn't talking about frame rate locking which is something entirely different and has nothing to do with v-syncing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing#V-sync
Edited by Castaa - 4/28/12 at 2:00am
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4/28/12 at 2:49am
I think you guys are talking about the same thing but misunderstood eachother smile.gif
Frame capping doesn't eliminate tearing, regular vsync does.
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4/28/12 at 2:52am
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I think you guys are talking about the same thing but misunderstood eachother smile.gif
Frame capping doesn't eliminate tearing, regular vsync does.
Yeah, I think Castaa got my first post wrong.
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I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. My point is that if v-sync is enabled, there should be no visual tearing. I wasn't talking about frame rate locking which is something entirely different and has nothing to do with v-syncing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing#V-sync

You specifically said my post was incorrect. My first post was ONLY talking about vsync vs. framerate locking and said exactly the same thing you're saying now.

I have to admit I missed Disturbed's post in between mine and yours (email notification is sketchy with the new OCN platform) and HE got my post completely wrong. Vsync is not the same as locking to the framerate.

Further down, Fluxlite is apparently the first person that reads my post as it is written and in the right context. There's nothing wrong with what I said, Disturbed just didn't know the difference and Castaa, IDK, didn't get it right or thought I said something else because of Disturbed.
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