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Oh look, more copyright-related idiocy. When will it end?

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They may be right, but was it the right thing to do? Wouldn't the developers have the final say in this as it is their own creation?

From whose perspective? Sure, from a fan it seems like they're just being idiots. But from their perspective it obviously was necessary. Perhaps they've seen sales drop drastically from the time the site went live. Perhaps they plan to offer posters on their own website in the near future. Perhaps they've allowed this sort of thing for other games in the past and it has been a huge mess.

Again, I'm not saying Bethesda is 100% great for doing this but to say they are wrong, being dumb, backstabbing fans, etc. is just ridiculous. And it doesn't belong to the developers, it probably is owned by the company as a whole. Developers just work for the company. I'm sure there are other ways of structuring it but that seems the most likely in a company like Bethesda.

If they did plan on selling posters then very well that would have been fine with a simple cease and desist or an email asking for them to be taken down rather than a lawsuit. My only concern with this was how they handled this. There are many different ways they could have handled this and he would have been okay with it, but this was not a good way to do it.
     
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But from their perspective it obviously was necessary.

So without any notice its perfectly fine to send out a pack of lawyers on a fan? I bet if they asked him nicely and told him what was wrong he would have taken it down, then if he didn't you could start sending lawyers and stuff like that.
    
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You could say the game itself is copywrigt but in game footage that has been recorded is owned by the person who did so. They can't publish it as their work without credit, but I think a fan site would be obviously "sourcing" them.... In no way do they deny the screenshots are their own, it's what they do with them that is their work.

This, this is just... =(
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So without any notice its perfectly fine to send out a pack of lawyers on a fan? I bet if they asked him nicely and told him what was wrong he would have taken it down, then if he didn't you could start sending lawyers and stuff like that.

We don't know the whole story. We know what he said. They may have sent more communication and he ignored it. People love to hop on the bandwagon like this. But even if they did just send a pack of lawyers, THEY ARE IN THE RIGHT. This guy obviously doesn't care and would have ignored them anyway had they started all nice. But as we don't know the whole story, only what they are accusing him of and what he thinks about it, we only know that he is in the wrong.
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This guy obviously doesn't care and would have ignored them anyway had they started all nice.

How do you know that?
    
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How do you know that?

His whole premise is that he has the right to use the posters. Why would he shut down after a nice note if he doesn't even care when they are taking legal action?
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Bethesda is all about suing anyone they can. Greedy bastards.

this. stop playng there stuff and speak with your money.
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How is that relevant to anything? It distributes screenshots, artwork, official logos, etc., but since they're not called posters that makes it okay?

They might post screenshots or various things from the game(s), but the expressed purpose of their site is not to distribute game artwork/posters to others, it is to discuss the game content. This was not the case for the guy in the story--he created the site for the expressed purpose for distributing fallout posters that he made. I don't see anywhere on the wiki page that says "download your free poster artwork here!" The way they use the content DOES fall under fair-use protection, and hence why it is allowed. Intent of use has pretty much everything to do with whether it's allowed.

And I guarantee you that if the wiki page all of a sudden starts uploading high-res images that resemble what we would think to be posters, it would be a target for the litigation team and likely removed (or worse).

It's for the same reason that you can take a picture of your...I dunno...windows 7 logo on your installation CD and then talk about windows 7, but you cannot make and upload the content for the expressed purpose for distributing it to others (since it's a trademark). There's a difference between a blanket-statement that you cannot ever show someone else's trademark/copyrighted material, vs. making images/reproductions of protected content widely available to everyone through distribution (without permission).
    
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quick start a petition!
Edited by Frosty288 - 4/18/12 at 2:50pm
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