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how many earths worth of resources will we need in order to sustain our population if we double the life span?
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how many earths worth of resources will we need in order to sustain our population if we double the life span?

One.
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doh.gif a lot of very young and possibly privileged people here it seems, that do not quite understand how much you actually need to bust your gonads in life. I can definitely say that I would not want to have that and then double it. rolleyes.gif

On a more scientific note, this is also bound to result in more genetic and degenerative diseases almost certainly being developed, maybe even at a much younger (relatively speaking) age. Not quite so simple as "live longer". I don't even want to get into the environmental pressure due to on average 6 - 8 generations being alive at the same time all consuming resources comparing to today's typical 2-4.

Assuming we had invulnerability from old age, you can bet that the whole work thing would change. Sure, you might spend 2-3 lifetimes working but you'd get some that are pure holidays and fun too.
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Where I live the the population density is 5.69 /km2, hardly overpopulated. The rest of the world may be overpopulated, but they probably can't afford buckyball pills anyways.

So where you live its not overpopulated, I bet when such a pill would exist it would be.
There will be more hunger, more polution, more everything.

Please wait another 80 years with such an invention so i don't have to be here when the earth gets destroyed.

Except if we had a way to live longer, long flight times, etc would mean much less for space travel.
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We already make more than enough food to feed all 7 billion of us adequately. The problem there is distribution. A great deal of food is simply thrown away. As for overpopulation, industrial nations already have stable populations, and developing nations will hit that equilibrium as well. The earth isn't going to be destroyed.

QFT. The Earth can handle quite a few more people, at the very least a lot of 1st world countries will have to cut down. (ie. Instead of buying a full meal and eating half of it, eat the whole damn thing or order a smaller meal. I see that quite a bit here and it annoys the hell out of me)

Seriously, if it got bad enough to actually be a major threat to humans continued survival, we'd have expeditions to Mars for a sustainable city/habitat within 2 years. Probably less. Move a bunch of humans off Earth (willingly, of course) and use the land they've given up as farmland. Mind you, after you improve the efficiency of certain countries in terms of food and water wasted, I doubt we'd hit any type of emergency levels for a long time.
    
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Assuming we had invulnerability from old age, you can bet that the whole work thing would change. Sure, you might spend 2-3 lifetimes working but you'd get some that are pure holidays and fun too.
Except if we had a way to live longer, long flight times, etc would mean much less for space travel.
QFT. The Earth can handle quite a few more people, at the very least a lot of 1st world countries will have to cut down. (ie. Instead of buying a full meal and eating half of it, eat the whole damn thing or order a smaller meal. I see that quite a bit here and it annoys the hell out of me)
Seriously, if it got bad enough to actually be a major threat to humans continued survival, we'd have expeditions to Mars for a sustainable city/habitat within 2 years. Probably less. Move a bunch of humans off Earth (willingly, of course) and use the land they've given up as farmland. Mind you, after you improve the efficiency of certain countries in terms of food and water wasted, I doubt we'd hit any type of emergency levels for a long time.

It is funny how every one is assuming this is going to be available for every one. It has to be synthesized and probably going to cost an arm.
They think it may be due to the anti-oxidant property of the molecule. We won't know until a long time what is really causing this fabulous longevity boost. Are the results comparable on the humans? Well, knowing human longevity is about 70-80, it will take a darn amount of time (I would say 20 years) to have conclusive results. If anti-oxidant properties is really the cause then, we already have daily ration of anti-oxidant. Tea and coffee contains some IE. In the lab test we don't know what was given to the rats. Let's assume none of them were eating food with anti-oxidant then just by introducing some into their alimentation will significantly boost their longevity but if you do this on a group already eating anti-oxidant then you will probably not see the same results. I wonder why they haven't tested this before posting their results.

Conclusion, it won't double your longevity.
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Assuming we had invulnerability from old age, you can bet that the whole work thing would change. Sure, you might spend 2-3 lifetimes working but you'd get some that are pure holidays and fun too.
Except if we had a way to live longer, long flight times, etc would mean much less for space travel.
QFT. The Earth can handle quite a few more people, at the very least a lot of 1st world countries will have to cut down. (ie. Instead of buying a full meal and eating half of it, eat the whole damn thing or order a smaller meal. I see that quite a bit here and it annoys the hell out of me)
Seriously, if it got bad enough to actually be a major threat to humans continued survival, we'd have expeditions to Mars for a sustainable city/habitat within 2 years. Probably less. Move a bunch of humans off Earth (willingly, of course) and use the land they've given up as farmland. Mind you, after you improve the efficiency of certain countries in terms of food and water wasted, I doubt we'd hit any type of emergency levels for a long time.

It is funny how every one is assuming this is going to be available for every one. It has to be synthesized and probably going to cost an arm.
They think it may be due to the anti-oxidant property of the molecule. We won't know until a long time what is really causing this fabulous longevity boost. Are the results comparable on the humans? Well, knowing human longevity is about 70-80, it will take a darn amount of time (I would say 20 years) to have conclusive results. If anti-oxidant properties is really the cause then, we already have daily ration of anti-oxidant. Tea and coffee contains some IE. In the lab test we don't know what was given to the rats. Let's assume none of them were eating food with anti-oxidant then just by introducing some into their alimentation will significantly boost their longevity but if you do this on a group already eating anti-oxidant then you will probably not see the same results. I wonder why they haven't tested this before posting their results.

Conclusion, it won't double your longevity.

Too much anti-oxidants are bad for you. There are already plentifull sources of anti-oxidants, we don't need this to tell us anything new about them or discover new effects.
    
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Hurray for a over populated planet

You think so eh?
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It is funny how every one is assuming this is going to be available for every one. It has to be synthesized and probably going to cost an arm. . .
Conclusion, it won't double your longevity.

Ok, you are kind of wrong there. It is VERY possible for Joe Blow off of the street to make c60...
I agree tho, this is very early in the testing, and more than likely will have minimal results in regards to humans.

For the record guys... I know, this is just SOME GUY on youtube, but I do think this applies, and scishow usually gets his info dead on..
This is in response to the population growth thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD-yN2G5BY0
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doh.gif a lot of very young and possibly privileged people here it seems, that do not quite understand how much you actually need to bust your gonads in life. I can definitely say that I would not want to have that and then double it. rolleyes.gif

On a more scientific note, this is also bound to result in more genetic and degenerative diseases almost certainly being developed, maybe even at a much younger (relatively speaking) age. Not quite so simple as "live longer". I don't even want to get into the environmental pressure due to on average 6 - 8 generations being alive at the same time all consuming resources comparing to today's typical 2-4.

These kinds of posts are a bunch of nonsense. There are tons of people and tons of suffering in first world countries. People from other countries have this delusion that everything is good in 1st world countries when the challenges and problems are similar and more difficult to solve actually. I've heard from immigrants that in their country everyone thinks America is free money, its not, and we have a ton of problems and suffering.

Also overpopulation is a myth. In the agricultural revolution we could grow 1000x more corn or wheat in the same area as before. Since we are stuck on fossil fuels and nuclear we aren't meeting needs. And green solutions are just a bunch of hippy nonsense that fails and gets subsidized. The Thorium Reactor is probably the next evolution of energy and it is extremely plentiful, much safer than nuclear, and will give us almost infinite energy. Once we make that leap most of these problems will be solved but until the green hippies stop wasting money on nonsense and we dont invest in thorium or bio-energy we will be stuck. Thats why the church of global warming is doing, making money.

WE HAVE ONLY SCRATCHED THE SURFACE OF EARTH.

We can develop technology to harvest the ore inside the earth and get all those resources. The greens just want to tell you what to do and what you can own and restrain freedom, like how congress banned lightbulbs.... its only the beginning. Go google "Technological Singularity" or "Thorium Reactor" and get educated. All you are doing is fear mongering into another genocide and loss of personal freedoms if you support these subsidized failing green techs that arent based on bio-energy. And the real answer is still the Thorium Reactor which China and Russia are researching right now while America is wasting its time on nonsense. Dont buy into propaganda for your own beliefs.
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Assuming we had invulnerability from old age, you can bet that the whole work thing would change. Sure, you might spend 2-3 lifetimes working but you'd get some that are pure holidays and fun too.
Except if we had a way to live longer, long flight times, etc would mean much less for space travel.
QFT. The Earth can handle quite a few more people, at the very least a lot of 1st world countries will have to cut down. (ie. Instead of buying a full meal and eating half of it, eat the whole damn thing or order a smaller meal. I see that quite a bit here and it annoys the hell out of me)
Seriously, if it got bad enough to actually be a major threat to humans continued survival, we'd have expeditions to Mars for a sustainable city/habitat within 2 years. Probably less. Move a bunch of humans off Earth (willingly, of course) and use the land they've given up as farmland. Mind you, after you improve the efficiency of certain countries in terms of food and water wasted, I doubt we'd hit any type of emergency levels for a long time.

It is funny how every one is assuming this is going to be available for every one. It has to be synthesized and probably going to cost an arm.
They think it may be due to the anti-oxidant property of the molecule. We won't know until a long time what is really causing this fabulous longevity boost. Are the results comparable on the humans? Well, knowing human longevity is about 70-80, it will take a darn amount of time (I would say 20 years) to have conclusive results. If anti-oxidant properties is really the cause then, we already have daily ration of anti-oxidant. Tea and coffee contains some IE. In the lab test we don't know what was given to the rats. Let's assume none of them were eating food with anti-oxidant then just by introducing some into their alimentation will significantly boost their longevity but if you do this on a group already eating anti-oxidant then you will probably not see the same results. I wonder why they haven't tested this before posting their results.

Conclusion, it won't double your longevity.

Oh, I agree. I severely doubt it's as easy as having a few Bucky Balls to double your lifespan. My post was mainly in reply to the people saying that having people live forever would cause overpopulation.
    
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