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Performance is on par with the Vertex 3 and the Vertex 3 is cheaper, in the US, and the SandForce issues were resolved for most last year.

But if you don't want a SandForce drive and Marvell certainly proved they could make a fast reliable controller, then the Vertex 4 would be a nice drive to have, though I'm still personally waiting for OCZ to start producing their own controllers.
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Performance is on par with the Vertex 3 and the Vertex 3 is cheaper, in the US, and the SandForce issues were resolved for most last year.

But if you don't want a SandForce drive and Marvell certainly proved they could make a fast reliable controller, then the Vertex 4 would be a nice drive to have, though I'm still personally waiting for OCZ to start producing their own controllers.
Performance is better.

And actually the issues that I had with 11 SandForce drives were not fixed as of last year at all.

Also, it is not mainly the controller that is reliable or not, it is the firmware. Intel proved that the SandForce 2281 controller is reliable with proper firmware.

And OCZ owns Indelinx which completely wrote new code for the re-branded Marvell controller. So you could say that it is their own because firmware does play a larger role than the hardware.
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Performance is better.
And actually the issues that I had with 11 SandForce drives were not fixed as of last year at all.
Also, it is not mainly the controller that is reliable or not, it is the firmware. Intel proved that the SandForce 2281 controller is reliable with proper firmware.
And OCZ owns Indelinx which completely wrote new code for the re-branded Marvell controller. So you could say that it is their own because firmware does play a larger role than the hardware.

Reviews I've seen show it to be on par with normal everyday task, and given the price gap the Vertex 3 still comes out as a better buy.

The most common issue was resolved for most people back in October, and even though Intel's 520 is more stable it can still run across the same old SF-2281 issues. F/W plays a major role in SSD's, but the controller is Marvell's and you will probably start seeing other drives using it with Marvell's own F/W in the next few months, then you will get to see what the actual difference is between them, and I'm really interested to see what OCZ can do with Indilinx since they want to be in nearly full control of their SSD's, they even gave up on RAM to focus on SSD's.

The Vertex 4 is a nice drive, but given the price difference and performance, at least here in the US, I would take the Vertex 3, Newegg even had the Vertex 3 on sale a couple of weeks ago for $110 after MIR, compared to the $180 of the Vertex 4, thats a $70 gap, though I can say I wouldn't be as confident if I didn't already have an Agility 3.
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Performance is better.
And actually the issues that I had with 11 SandForce drives were not fixed as of last year at all.
Also, it is not mainly the controller that is reliable or not, it is the firmware. Intel proved that the SandForce 2281 controller is reliable with proper firmware.
And OCZ owns Indelinx which completely wrote new code for the re-branded Marvell controller. So you could say that it is their own because firmware does play a larger role than the hardware.

Did you check the Intel SSD forum lately? Users have reported BSOD that are typical of SF-2XXX controller. Please do not tell me user error again!rolleyes.gif
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Reviews I've seen show it to be on par with normal everyday task, and given the price gap the Vertex 3 still comes out as a better buy.
Not when there are also better SSDs out there too.
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The most common issue was resolved for most people back in October,
I had 17 SandForce drvies, all had the newest firmware. Only 6 gave me no issue, 11 however did. I replaced them and I never had an issue in those systems again.
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and even though Intel's 520 is more stable it can still run across the same old SF-2281 issues.

Links. As I say replying to the other person above, they are mainly chipset or driver issues.
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F/W plays a major role in SSD's, but the controller is Marvell's and you will probably start seeing other drives using it with Marvell's own F/W in the next few months, then you will get to see what the actual difference is between them, and I'm really interested to see what OCZ can do with Indilinx since they want to be in nearly full control of their SSD's, they even gave up on RAM to focus on SSD's.
Yep. Though I don't think they will be developing their own controller hardware from the bottom up for a while. But the firmware like I said is what matters. They have full control of the firmware for it as it is what they developed, not what Marvell created. The Indilinx controller is separate to the Marvell ones.
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The Vertex 4 is a nice drive, but given the price difference and performance, at least here in the US, I would take the Vertex 3, Newegg even had the Vertex 3 on sale a couple of weeks ago for $110 after MIR, compared to the $180 of the Vertex 4, thats a $70 gap, though I can say I wouldn't be as confident if I didn't already have an Agility 3.
I still would never get a Non-Intel SandForce drive for my OS. biggrin.gif

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Did you check the Intel SSD forum lately? Users have reported BSOD that are typical of SF-2XXX controller. Please do not tell me user error again!rolleyes.gif

Have you actually checked lately yourself? I have. I have seen almost every thread on the Intel 520 there.

Issues are either from chipset incompatibilities, driver issues (IRST - possible driver incompatibility with the chipset or driver conflict with other drivers), or they got a bad drive.
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Performance is on par with the Vertex 3 and the Vertex 3 is cheaper, in the US, and the SandForce issues were resolved for most last year.
But if you don't want a SandForce drive and Marvell certainly proved they could make a fast reliable controller, then the Vertex 4 would be a nice drive to have, though I'm still personally waiting for OCZ to start producing their own controllers.

OCZ purchased Indilinx to have their own in-house controller. The Vertex 4 is Indilinx powered.
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The initial reviews on Vertex 4 on newegg are look very very good....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227791

93% said 5 or 4 stars out of 14 reviews. 1 person (7%) gave it a 3 star. No one gave it a 1 or 2 stars. Impressive so far...

If this keeps up...my thoughts of grabbing a Corsair Performance Pro...*might* have to sit on the bench....Vertex 4 might turn out to be a star player...we'll see! So many good SSDs out now...very hard to decide.

FYI - good review database on SSDs: http://www.johnnylucky.org/data-storage/ssd-database.html
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Not when there are also better SSDs out there too.
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The most common issue was resolved for most people back in October,
I had 17 SandForce drvies, all had the newest firmware. Only 6 gave me no issue, 11 however did. I replaced them and I never had an issue in those systems again.
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and even though Intel's 520 is more stable it can still run across the same old SF-2281 issues.
Links. As I say replying to the other person above, they are mainly chipset or driver issues.
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F/W plays a major role in SSD's, but the controller is Marvell's and you will probably start seeing other drives using it with Marvell's own F/W in the next few months, then you will get to see what the actual difference is between them, and I'm really interested to see what OCZ can do with Indilinx since they want to be in nearly full control of their SSD's, they even gave up on RAM to focus on SSD's.
Yep. Though I don't think they will be developing their own controller hardware from the bottom up for a while. But the firmware like I said is what matters. They have full control of the firmware for it as it is what they developed, not what Marvell created. The Indilinx controller is separate to the Marvell ones.
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The Vertex 4 is a nice drive, but given the price difference and performance, at least here in the US, I would take the Vertex 3, Newegg even had the Vertex 3 on sale a couple of weeks ago for $110 after MIR, compared to the $180 of the Vertex 4, thats a $70 gap, though I can say I wouldn't be as confident if I didn't already have an Agility 3.
I still would never get a Non-Intel SandForce drive for my OS. biggrin.gif
Have you actually checked lately yourself? I have. I have seen almost every thread on the Intel 520 there.
Issues are either from chipset incompatibilities, driver issues (IRST - possible driver incompatibility with the chipset or driver conflict with other drivers), or they got a bad drive.

I do every day! I'd say that you perhaps have a bias toward Intel/SF vs. OCZ/SF in this forum. Check this thread, http://communities.intel.com/thread/27680?start=15&tstart=0, and tell me whether or not the SF issue still exists.
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I do every day! I'd say that you perhaps have a bias toward Intel/SF vs. OCZ/SF in this forum. Check this thread, http://communities.intel.com/thread/27680?start=15&tstart=0, and tell me whether or not the SF issue still exists.

Nope, no bias actually, if anything it is a bias towards good products.

Link is broken...

Also...only one link eh, out of the 6 or so total there 520 issue threads there? rolleyes.gif Seems like it is simply a lemon drive or like I said before, driver issue, OS issue or chipset issue.
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Not when there are also better SSDs out there too.

Unfortunately there aren't any others in that price range, even at its current price with MIR the Vertex 3 is a very attractive drive, I'd personally rather have an 830 or M4 or Vertex 4, but not if I can get a good drive for less.

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I had 17 SandForce drvies, all had the newest firmware. Only 6 gave me no issue, 11 however did. I replaced them and I never had an issue in those systems again.

I originally went with a Force 3 120GB myself back when they first came out, even had to endure that recall due to unstable F/W, spent nearly $240 on it and went through hell trying to get a refund, but they eventually got it done and overnighted it to me, but so far I have had no issues with this Agility 3 with the latest firmware, knock on wood, and the number of people posting issues decreased significantly after it was released.

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Links. As I say replying to the other person above, they are mainly chipset or driver issues.

I can give you a link to a guys post on another tech forum if you want, he was the one I was specifically thinking of, he bought a 520 for his old Dell and from the problems he was describing it sounded like the old SandForce bug, he sent it back and I think bought an 830 and says he is a lot happier.

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Yep. Though I don't think they will be developing their own controller hardware from the bottom up for a while. But the firmware like I said is what matters. They have full control of the firmware for it as it is what they developed, not what Marvell created. The Indilinx controller is separate to the Marvell ones.

Yea, though they definitely implied the interest in creating one, and F/W is important, and Intel has also said that the F/W can make a huge difference, but it can only do so much in instructing the controller.

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I still would never get a Non-Intel SandForce drive for my OS. biggrin.gif

I can't blame you, 11 unstable drives would make me paranoid too, and you really can't defend SandForce or any of the manufacturers that decided to release drives with them, especially back when the drives were more unstable.


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OCZ purchased Indilinx to have their own in-house controller. The Vertex 4 is Indilinx powered.

Indilinx Everest and Everest 2 refers to the F/W, the controller is Marvell's, OCZ has just worked a deal with them to do their own custom F/W, kind of like what Intel has done with SandForce with the SF-2281 controller on their 520 and 330 SSD's.
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