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Glad to see it.
I'll never switch my good ol' PC for a tablet, ever. So in my opinion, MS is wrong in saying that PCs are the past and tablets (and anything smaller and more mobile than a PC such as notebooks) the future.
And nothing feels quite the same as gaming on a PC. smile.gif
 
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I still wonder if the console market is really trying to kill the PC market. If they really want to kill the PC market, they should seriously consider investing into a more potent gaming platform. Intel really isn't about to go under anytime soon. tongue.gif
     
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For one thing, the first successful "bastardized PC" console was the PS1, which was a Japanese product. If you aren't aware, Japan does NOT do PC gaming darned near at ALL - it's reserved for doujin/independent games, porn/hentai games, and previously visual novels (which is gaining some popularity on handheld consoles and smartphones).

It's notable however that Japan has really lost their place in the western market for a few reasons, the two most likely being the current western fad of "cinematic", "darker & edgier" action/shooter games (which Japan also does not do) and their obsession with being overly "creative and artistic" (it's only good to an extent before it starts canibalizing the gameplay - hello FFXIII, Metroid: Other M, etc.). Therefore, it's no surprise that the most regarded JRPG this gen, Xenoblade, is probably one of the most western-feeling JRPGs ever made.


Anyway, due to the success of the PlayStation, Microsoft got concerned about it cannibalizing Windows as a gaming platform, hence why they made the Xbox. Remember, it's OK for them to cannibalize PC gaming since it's the same company getting the money. rolleyes.gif

In the end, the only two reasons we have "bastardized PC" consoles at all is because Japan doesn't do PC gaming and Microsoft likes money. The former is becoming less influential however as Japan has been moving to handhelds, and at this point Sony is likely still making home consoles only because Microsoft is.


If you're wondering, Nintendo's marketshare mostly revolves around how much of an arcade-like experience their systems and games provide. As soon as they start to drift away from it (GameCube), usually by obsessing over 3D (hello N64, 3DS, early-life DS), their marketshare declines, only to rocket back up when they get their head screwed back on right (Wii, mid-life DS).


In the right context, the whole situation does make sense.
(analysis credit goes mostly to Sean Malstrom)
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You people refer to Europe as a country, although many are members of the EURO, it does not unify their economies to that extent. Northern europe blows us out of the water economically. ( Germany, Luxembourg, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, France) It's mostly Southern europe which has always suffered. Btw, even the crappiest parts of Europe have better income equality than we do in the U.S. Northern Europe's system works much better than ours actually, with most people enjoying a much higher standard of life, but capitalist believers wouldn't understand that. The U.S is still built upon money we DON'T have. It will crash on us again. Problem is in our crap capitalist system, the money needs to be in the hands of the average man... So he can spend it, as of now, the rich make capital gains while the average man hoards his money. This is where we stand as of now.

QFT
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Anyways ON topic, PC gaming never died, I myself have gotten dozens of people to quit consoles as I offered to build their pc's, when they saw how nicely games played on a good rig they immeadiately wanted in. Of course, there will never be multiplayer mariocart on pc ;(

..Emulators tongue.gif

This is what i love about PC's. So versatile. Although if we let them, greedy developers/publishers will see to ruin all of the privileges and versatility we're all so accustomed to. Just so they can go take a swim in their money pools.
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You people refer to Europe as a country, although many are members of the EURO, it does not unify their economies to that extent. Northern europe blows us out of the water economically. ( Germany, Luxembourg, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, France) It's mostly Southern europe which has always suffered. Btw, even the crappiest parts of Europe have better income equality than we do in the U.S. Northern Europe's system works much better than ours actually, with most people enjoying a much higher standard of life, but capitalist believers wouldn't understand that. The U.S is still built upon money we DON'T have. It will crash on us again. Problem is in our crap capitalist system, the money needs to be in the hands of the average man... So he can spend it, as of now, the rich make capital gains while the average man hoards his money. This is where we stand as of now.
Anyways ON topic, PC gaming never died, I myself have gotten dozens of people to quit consoles as I offered to build their pc's, when they saw how nicely games played on a good rig they immeadiately wanted in. Of course, there will never be multiplayer mariocart on pc ;(
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Germany Unemployment : 5.7%
Sweden: 6%
Norway: 3.2%
Belgium: 6.5%
Luxembourg: 5%
Also keep note that while unemployed in northern europe you are covered fully by the government.

The US economy is projected to grow this year by 2-3% while the Euro zone is projected to contract by .5%. The problem is not the countries you listed but the debt laden south with sky high unemployment. The problem is that Europe has tackled the problem though budget cuts rather then bailouts and this has hurt Europeon economies worse.
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The protesters argue that bleeding the sick economies through severe budget cuts has only made them weaker. On Tuesday, for example, Greece’s central bank predicted that the country’s economy will shrink 5 percent this year, even more than expected, and that unemployment will increase to 19 percent. Meanwhile, Greece’s ratio of debt to gross domestic product continues to grow.
    
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You people refer to Europe as a country, although many are members of the EURO, it does not unify their economies to that extent. Northern europe blows us out of the water economically. ( Germany, Luxembourg, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, France)

Yes, it does unify their economies to a larger extent than you imply. Do not falsely downplay that point to selectively present information. If you want to draw parallels between countries within the EU to the USA then you should be comparing them directly with states and their economies. A much different picture will begin to take shape once you cut out states like California (11-12% unemployment) and many of the east coast states. Twenty of the fifty states have unemployment anywhere from 3%-7%. Bureau of Labor Statistics

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Btw, even the crappiest parts of Europe have better income equality than we do in the U.S. Northern Europe's system works much better than ours actually, with most people enjoying a much higher standard of life, but capitalist believers wouldn't understand that.

What a broad unsubstantiated claim. I assume (I hope) that you are referring to the HDI; an index that has been criticized as just being a measure of how Scandinavian your country is. Even so, the USA ranks #3/4 (tied with Netherlands). So, even by a biased metric, the USA doesn't perform worse than "even the crappiest parts of Europe." USA's HDI
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The U.S is still built upon money we DON'T have. It will crash on us again. Problem is in our crap capitalist system, the money needs to be in the hands of the average man... So he can spend it, as of now, the rich make capital gains while the average man hoards his money. This is where we stand as of now.

I do agree that the USA has a spending issue, and lacks a sound fiscal budget. However, your definition of "the average man" is suspect. Why is someone entitled to resources that they did not earn? Is being "average" somehow more qualifying for handling monetary assets than being wealthy? Everyone seems to forget that an "economy" is not exclusively the currency utilized. Economy refers to the way in which an entity (in this case a country) utilizes resources that have other uses (labor, natural resources, etc.) How, in your estimation, would forcibly taking assets from a wealthy citizen, having the government skim the assets for "operating costs," and then hand them over to another "average" citizen a efficient use of our finite resources? Sure, it is a great way to get votes and support from those receiving the money, but overall it hurts the economy. In your own state of California, wealthy citizens are leaving the state to avoid this, and California is experiencing a budget crisis. Living within one's means is not just a credo reserved for buttons on the campaign trail.

People become wealthy because of capital gains; not the inverse. 401(k)? IRA? Dividends? Do any of these sound familiar? All these are examples of capital gains. You do not have to be wealthy to benefit from sound investment. You just need to be informed. Instead, people like you would have the government raid "the average man's" retirement fund with draconian taxes to desperately prop up their failing Ponzi scheme known as Social Security. What sweet irony.
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Germany Unemployment : 5.7%
Sweden: 6%
Norway: 3.2%
Belgium: 6.5%
Luxembourg: 5%
Also keep note that while unemployed in northern europe you are covered fully by the government.

You failed to mention that, in these countries, government employment makes up a larger portion than private sector. It is easy to combat unemployment numbers when you can just create jobs in the government. However, that does not necessarily mean that the economy is utilizing resources well or efficiently.
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Can we stop posting articles that it hasn't died yet? Makes me feel like i'm playing a dying system, when in reality this is the beast that pumps out the games...
    
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As I totally unbaised party I love my pc and my ps3 and 360 /etc and there are merits to both sides.but at some point (not anytime soon) I suspect a pc crash the way arcades did the thing that seperated the arcade and the consoles during the time acardes where domanit was visualls as pc and consoles are now pc does provide more choise but, slowly consoles are becomeing more like pcs hell the ps3 use to run linx. The worry I have is some day consoles will become close enough where the pc market will slow down lazy ports increased priacy and the lot. Will dissatisfy both pc gamers and devs right now imo f2p mmos are the balenceing act but consoles are slowly embraceing thoses as well hell u can play s4 on psp,s in jap now. I hope I'm wrong but I see it as pc haveing about 4 more soild console gens away from a crash. (Doesn't mean I won't pc game still if it does happen ^-^ but the quality of visuals is reaching respectabitly as a mediuem (sp)
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As I totally unbaised party I love my pc and my ps3 and 360 /etc and there are merits to both sides.but at some point (not anytime soon) I suspect a pc crash the way arcades did

I must disagree. I personally predict a crash with "bastardized PC" consoles only, leaving handhelds and arcade consoles able to survive. In particular, I see tablets & smartphones helping to refocus PC gaming back on actual computer devices.
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the thing that seperated the arcade and the consoles during the time acardes where domanit was visualls as pc and consoles are now pc
...except that arcades and PCs are exact opposites, and lead to different console experiences. Nobody would call the Wii a "bastardized PC" just as nobody would call a PS3 an "arcade at home".
 
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4x4GB Corsair Vengance DDR3 @ 1800MHz 1.504v Crucial M500 480GB SSD RamDisk - adaptive 10GB volatile scratch LG Blu-ray drive 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cooler Master X6 Elite with stock fan removed CPU fan: 120mm Arctic F12 PWM @ ~300rpm PSU fan: 120mm Kingwin case fan via PSU fan plug Windows 7 Ultimate - 64bit SP1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
E772p CRT (Trinitron) @ 79-94hz 1152x864/1280x720 PS/2 Microsoft Internet Keyboard (replaced cord) Antec EA-380D (380w) with stock fan removed Logitech MX510 (blue) with replaced USB cord 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
White Monoprice 9963 IEM headphones [Left ear] LostEarBuds medium single-flange tip [Right ear] Unknown medium single-flange tip Asus Xonar DS 
AudioAudioAudio
Dual SOIC LME49990 DIP8 op amp [music] Foobar2000 + Xonar ASIO driver [games & movies] Razer Synapse 7.1ch to binaural 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo (Penryn) T8300 @ 2.4GHz Dell Studio 1535 Intel 965GMA 2GB 667MHz Samsung DDR2 
RAMHard DriveOSMonitor
1GB 667MHz Samsung DDR2 60GB Corsair Force 3 SSD Windows 7 64bit SP1 Toshiba 39L1350U HDTV 
KeyboardPowerMouseMouse Pad
Some USB wireless Logitech keyboard Rocketfish universial power adapter (my cousin's) Some USB wireless Logitech mouse couch 
AudioAudio
HDMI audio-out to HDTV HDTV optical-out to Denon AVR-200 reciever 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium 3 @ 667MHz Some Intel mobo ATI Rage 128 AGP 32MB 2x256MB DDR1 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1GB Sandisk CF card - boot drive Western Digital Caviar SE - 320GB IDE Maxtor - 200GB IDE RamDisk - adaptive 64MB viotle scratch 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Athlon XP 2000+ Palomino stock heatsink w/ copp... Windows 2000 Pro SP4 None - VNC is used instead Bestec ATX-250-12Z 
CaseOtherOther
Some super-basic beige case Intel PCI ethernet card Linksys PCI ethernet card 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Pentium G3258 @ 4.6GHz/1.281v (rock-solid stable) MSI Z97 PC Mate [media & productivity] Intel HD graphics [games] Diamond Radeon HD5870 1GB 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
4x4GB Corsair Vengance DDR3 @ 1800MHz 1.504v Crucial M500 480GB SSD RamDisk - adaptive 10GB volatile scratch LG Blu-ray drive 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Cooler Master X6 Elite with stock fan removed CPU fan: 120mm Arctic F12 PWM @ ~300rpm PSU fan: 120mm Kingwin case fan via PSU fan plug Windows 7 Ultimate - 64bit SP1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
E772p CRT (Trinitron) @ 79-94hz 1152x864/1280x720 PS/2 Microsoft Internet Keyboard (replaced cord) Antec EA-380D (380w) with stock fan removed Logitech MX510 (blue) with replaced USB cord 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
White Monoprice 9963 IEM headphones [Left ear] LostEarBuds medium single-flange tip [Right ear] Unknown medium single-flange tip Asus Xonar DS 
AudioAudioAudio
Dual SOIC LME49990 DIP8 op amp [music] Foobar2000 + Xonar ASIO driver [games & movies] Razer Synapse 7.1ch to binaural 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo (Penryn) T8300 @ 2.4GHz Dell Studio 1535 Intel 965GMA 2GB 667MHz Samsung DDR2 
RAMHard DriveOSMonitor
1GB 667MHz Samsung DDR2 60GB Corsair Force 3 SSD Windows 7 64bit SP1 Toshiba 39L1350U HDTV 
KeyboardPowerMouseMouse Pad
Some USB wireless Logitech keyboard Rocketfish universial power adapter (my cousin's) Some USB wireless Logitech mouse couch 
AudioAudio
HDMI audio-out to HDTV HDTV optical-out to Denon AVR-200 reciever 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium 3 @ 667MHz Some Intel mobo ATI Rage 128 AGP 32MB 2x256MB DDR1 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1GB Sandisk CF card - boot drive Western Digital Caviar SE - 320GB IDE Maxtor - 200GB IDE RamDisk - adaptive 64MB viotle scratch 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Athlon XP 2000+ Palomino stock heatsink w/ copp... Windows 2000 Pro SP4 None - VNC is used instead Bestec ATX-250-12Z 
CaseOtherOther
Some super-basic beige case Intel PCI ethernet card Linksys PCI ethernet card 
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If only more people take the leap from the standard PS3 and Xbox 360 and into the expensive (Or non expensive, depend how well you want to play your games) but worthwhile realm of PC gaming like I did.....
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