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I doubt we will be seeing big Kepler for Geforce anytime soon, they just released their flagship 680 and the news of a dual gpu card with gk104 chips. If they released Big kepler anytime soon it would eliminate the need for a dual gpu solution 690, it would be more like a 460 2win. I think that NVIDIA will bring out the monster with Tesla and that is all as gk 104 was not designed for compute and designed for gamers instead. They had to release gk104 and they couldn't wait for gk110 or it would be another Fermi fiasco with AMD having too great a lead with release periods. If they release a Geforce big Kepler any time soon they will be shooting themselves in the foot with the 600 series line they still have not completed release of.

Well, since Tesla variant uses the same chip as GeForce variant, probably just higher binned and with different microcode, so when they would have a chip ready they would release GeForce variant if anything just to get rid of those chips that did not pass more strick Quadro /T esla requirements/ Plus, usually they have a GeForce variant available first, just for the additional manufacturing process tweaks before launching Quadro / Tesla counterparts.

Also, GK110 won't be twice as fast as GK104, somewhere in 50-75% ballpark judging by the rumored specs of 2304 cores. So dual GK104 would still be at least 25% faster in games, not to mention that it is perfect for dual GPU card due to really good performance per watt.
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Because you really need to upgrade from the 680 at the moment.

Think you're on the wrong site bro, hellokittyhardware.com is that way ---->

Lmao
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Because you really need to upgrade from the 680 at the moment.

Don't worry about what I need brah
    
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So we can use EVGA's step-up program.. Which only lasts 90 days after original purchase.
Which will more than likely be wasted.

i think you cant use step up for 690 smile.gif
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GK110 won't come out any time soon. They already have the performance crown, why shoot themselves in the foot by releasing another card?
110 will come out to battle the 8970, and that's probably at the end of the year or early 2013.

I disagree, you are right about being ahead and already seling alot and availability is a problem..etc But its about being ahead through another genration and tweaking the gpu. Back in the ultra days it was the same, they had the lead and yet they kept releasing biger/faster cards with more vmem. And they got the lead for a couple of years. But it maybe just for quadros and tesla as the gtx 680 is cutdown from its gpgpu capabilities.

Who knows we are hoping for the best, i want gtx 660/670 and i want a fully unlocked, no boost, voltage controled gtx 680!. If with no voltages but higher tdp limits, they are getting close to 1400mhz (asus dcuII), what would happen if voltages where added!
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I think this is about the 690.

It'd be an awful decision to launch the 600 series like this if GK110 was ready the whole time.
Also, the transistors are conveniently GK104x2
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We don't even know the release date y are you speculating they would "shoot in their foot" by releasing it? It all depends when they release it. Plus the GTX690 argument isn't really strong. The market is really small for double GPUs cards and, if priced accordingly, the GTX690 will be sold anyway.
AMD will likely release a 7900 refresh with higher stock clock (thus taking back the 550$ price position) and we don't know when they will drop the first 8000 serie card so it also depend how AMD is competitive.

If Nvidia can't compete with their current generation why wouldn't they release a newer generation? Should they let the competition eat their shares? No matter what happens the GTX680 & 690 price/sale will lower and the goal is to stop production at the right moment so you won't have to lower their price to sell them (which never happens in a competitive market).

Sooner better for them. Begin production of higher-end models, reduce production of the other models, wait until stocks get low, announce new cards, current cards price lower, release new generation.
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I think this is about the 690.

Since when have dual GPU cards been called single GPUs by Nvidia? Besides Nvidia would not demonstrate compute/cuda stuff with a 690.
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It'd be an awful decision to launch the 600 series like this if GK110 was ready the whole time.

Why? Because they can get a high end price out of a mid range chip at the moment? Obviously the chip isn't ready yet if it's only getting demoed mid May. If it was ready I'm sure many tesla/quadro users would be all over the card so it makes no sense just to keep a ready card behind closed doors.
 
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We don't even know the release date y are you speculating they would "shoot in their foot" by releasing it? It all depends when they release it. Plus the GTX690 argument isn't really strong. The market is really small for double GPUs cards and, if priced accordingly, the GTX690 will be sold anyway.

Dream all you want. Doubling the transistors of GK104 would lead to the largest die Nvidia and TSMC have ever created - even larger than GT200, which was 576mm². The high die size for that part was because of Nivdia's poor decision to create GT200 as a 65nm part instead of using the 55nm node.

This 7 billion transistor GPU absolutely is the 690. They've never had a high end part that was twice the transistor count of their upper-midrange part.
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Dream all you want. Doubling the transistors of GK104 would lead to the largest die Nvidia and TSMC have ever created - even larger than GT200, which was 576mm². The high die size for that part was because of Nivdia's poor decision to create GT200 as a 65nm part instead of using the 55nm node.
This 7 billion transistor GPU absolutely is the 690. They've never had a high end part that was twice the transistor count of their upper-midrange part.

It's not that far fetched. Usually higher end Nvidia GPUs have higher transistor density. Take Fermi (4xx) for example: GF100 has the highest transistor density, GF104 next, then GF106 etc.

With double the die size of GK104 this thing would fall under 600mm^2, with better transistor density it'd probably be 550mm^2 to 575mm^2.

E: but yeah still it would be an absolutely massive GPU.
 
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