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If gunning for number one is the only way that you can win , then i'd say so be it.

Blaming other people is just creating excuses for one's own inadequacies. If teammates makes mistakes or the other team is good, so be it. Not accepting that just makes one shallower and not grow.

Well think of it this way , its like being sued for embezzlement because you unknowingly loaned your friend money for starting a pyramid scheme when your friend said its for something else.Am i inadequate because i do not know him well enough? Things that are out of your control doesn't necessarily mean that you do not try to afflict change in another manner.

"Only a slave would accept his fate.A man would bring it upon his hands to change it." *Andrew Ryan moment biggrin.gif

The only shallow person here is the indifferent man that accepts it as it is.In the end , im sure the "bad" player still wants to win.Why be that guy that denies the opportunity?(whether intentional or not)

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Ofcourse , whether its good to have raging players(in an environment) or not really depends on your ability to listen to their feedback under the swears they might type.

The only feedback in insults, flaming and death threats is: I'm an idiot with no life, everyone please use the ignore function on me.

The only dumb person is the insulter that doesn't realize all that they're doing is making a bad situation worse. It's like someone tugging at a leg stuck in a bear trap. You might have turned things around but you just ensured an agonizing death.

Hm , maybe you and i were thinking of different types of insults.I was thinking of something like xxxxxx feedback xxxx xxxxxx.

Regardless , you have the power of prevention , why not use it in the first place?
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Why were you assuming that i was assuming that he was playing poorly? I wasn't explicitly stating that he was doing POOR , just not doing his best.Like i said , if you can't deal with a few insults here and there , you probably shouldn't be playing something competitive.

You've obviously never played competitively, you'd be immediately removed from any competitive tournament if you started running your mouth like you have in this thread.

One day you'll grow up.


Also the sheer amount of people posting in this thread who; didn't read the OP or has no clue what DotA2 is, is staggering.

The only lowly person is the only one who thinks lowly of others.Its true i've never played competitively before , that said , i've already said that playing competitively and playing in a pub match are pretty much polar opposites of each other.Don't bother reading much?

Ofcourse , im not going to bother arguing with you , starting with personal insults instead of addressing my point? Really? rolleyes.gif
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Why were you assuming that i was assuming that he was playing poorly? I wasn't explicitly stating that he was doing POOR , just not doing his best.
I didn't. You said, "How about you stop sucking in the first 10 minutes then?", and last I checked that kind of implies that he's playing poorly. Unless when you suck, you're actually doing okay?
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Like i said , if you can't deal with a few insults here and there , you probably shouldn't be playing something competitive ,
Have you even played a MOBA before? I've played LoL and the insulting used to be pretty insane. That's what happens when you've got foul mouthed kids on games which don't know how to act maturely in a game when they're not happy with how someone else is doing.

It's more to the point that if you don't know how to not run your mouth, then you shouldn't be playing something competitive. Why not encourage the other player? Give advice? Or just plain say, dude... stop doing that! Rather than saying "insert fifteen different curses here", which only makes the player get aggro and play worse.
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the whole point of which was meant to be FRUSTRATING to lose but REWARDING to win.AND PEOPLE LIKED IT THIS WAY.
It is frustration to lose, and rewarding to win. Cussing has nothing to do with the 'experience' other than distracting other team mates, yourself, and the target of your 'anger', and then bringing the game down a level for everyone.
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Then there are people who plays these kinds of games ofwhich i have no other word to describe but DUMB.If people are raging at you for being real stupid , then you should actively try to prevent it and not just say "oh it would have had the same outcome anyway , nothing i can do".Because every mistake that you make has nothing to do with you right? rolleyes.gif
I don't find it surprising that some people defend themselves when attacked by others, or try to justify themselves. Really, who can comment and say that it was entirely someone's fault? This is a team game, and whilst there are mistakes made, too many run their mouth when you can't actually pinpoint the blame on anyone.
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Stonewall states this really well and i agree with him ; if you aren't playing your best every game , then you shouldn't play at all.Don't find an excuses for your mistakes , something must have happened between you and the enemy team in the first 10 minutes to induce rage(for his case).Don't whine about people raging at you for your play , improve yourself first then come back and tell me whether or not you would like to play with your past self with 1000 less rounds of experience.
Everyone tries to win... so they're playing as best as they can. I get annoyed if someone is throwing the game away, but if they're trying and sucking that's fine by me -- I'll give them advice, tell them to stop doing something, and try and help them if I can. That's what you do in a team game, not roll your mouth off at them because you're some immature five year old.

If you want to play ONLY with really great players, then set up ARRANGED TEAMS and not random.
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Ofcourse , whether its good to have raging players(in an environment) or not really depends on your ability to listen to their feedback under the swears they might type.
It's never good. It distracts the team and downgrades the fun in the game. You seem to be missing the point... THESE PEOPLE DON'T PROVIDE FEED BACK. If you think we're talking about the kind of insults such as: 'That's stupid dude, don't do that', then you've got absolutely no idea what we're talking about.

>>>>>

TLDR;

Raging and cussing at people doesn't help anyone, it takes away some of the fun of the game, and it distracts the two players involved, as well as the rest of the team. If you want to actually help the situation rather than adding to a mess, why don't you do something constructive? Help the guy with ganks, give advice, tell him to stop doing something, or otherwise let him keep trying to win rather than making him worse.

This applies to all kinds of swearing from incredibly light insults like calling someone an idiot, to the more full on stuff to which I mainly refer, where the 'rager' goes on a full on 'let's try and find everyone insult in the vocabulary and put it all together' kind of insult rage.
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Well think of it this way , its like being sued for embezzlement because you unknowingly loaned your friend money for starting a pyramid scheme when your friend said its for something else.Am i inadequate because i do not know him well enough? Things that are out of your control doesn't necessarily mean that you do not try to afflict change in another manner.
"Only a slave would accept his fate.A man would bring it upon his hands to change it." *Andrew Ryan moment biggrin.gif
The only shallow person here is the indifferent man that accepts it as it is.In the end , im sure the "bad" player still wants to win.Why be that guy that denies the opportunity?(whether intentional or not)

So, you believe you can win better by demoralizing your own teammates? That will increase your odds of winning? Exactly, you are only hurting yourself.

It is naive to believe that you win because you are individually good and you lose only because your team is bad.

Also, comparing losing in Dota to slavery and panzi scheme is pretty darn inappropriate.
Edited by Riou - 4/21/12 at 5:31am
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I didn't. You said, "How about you stop sucking in the first 10 minutes then?", and last I checked that kind of implies that he's playing poorly. Unless when you suck, you're actually doing okay?

On my part , that was probably a poor choice of words ; probably a little too aggressive as i get a little annoyed by "these" types of players(nothing against TFL) but my point still stands.If you were able to make someone rage to a point it bothers you within 10 minutes , you probably aren't performing your best
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Have you even played a MOBA before? I've played LoL and the insulting used to be pretty insane. That's what happens when you've got foul mouthed kids on games which don't know how to act maturely in a game when they're not happy with how someone else is doing.

It's more to the point that if you don't know how to not run your mouth, then you shouldn't be playing something competitive. Why not encourage the other player? Give advice? Or just plain say, dude... stop doing that! Rather than saying "insert fifteen different curses here", which only makes the player get aggro and play worse.

Ofcourse , i've played way too much LoL for my own good (i have like more than 2000 games) and some amount of DOTA though its mostly LAN.Not cursing the first time round is just delaying the inevitable because most of them don't listen to what you have to say and does the same mistakes repeatedly.Ofcourse , both of us are talking about variable extremes , where people make whole sentences with swears and people that has an IQ of a rock when playing.
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It is frustration to lose, and rewarding to win. Cussing has nothing to do with the 'experience' other than distracting other team mates, yourself, and the target of your 'anger', and then bringing the game down a level for everyone.
Ofcourse it has , these kinds of players just increases the level of agony when losing a slow and unwinnable game or make it really boring for the winning team because the other team didn't even put up a fight.
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I don't find it surprising that some people defend themselves when attacked by others, or try to justify themselves. Really, who can comment and say that it was entirely someone's fault? This is a team game, and whilst there are mistakes made, too many run their mouth when you can't actually pinpoint the blame on anyone.
I find it quite ironic that you are making excuses for trying to justify excuses in a game.Excuse-ception? wink.gif
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Everyone tries to win... so they're playing as best as they can. I get annoyed if someone is throwing the game away, but if they're trying and sucking that's fine by me -- I'll give them advice, tell them to stop doing something, and try and help them if I can. That's what you do in a team game, not roll your mouth off at them because you're some immature five year old.


If you want to play ONLY with really great players, then set up ARRANGED TEAMS and not random.

Well , trying and sucking can also be rephrased as "still not doing well enough" so its a matter of perspective , hypocritical as it seems.Its those times(to the "bad" player) where trying your best isn't good enough , then you better step up to the plate and actively improve in the game.The issue is that most of them do not go beyond their ability to improve and just gives up leading to more rage and vice versa.

In a sort of way , the bad player is bringing it upon themselves.
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It's never good. It distracts the team and downgrades the fun in the game. You seem to be missing the point... THESE PEOPLE DON'T PROVIDE FEED BACK. If you think we're talking about the kind of insults such as: 'That's stupid dude, don't do that', then you've got absolutely no idea what we're talking about.

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Well think of it this way , its like being sued for embezzlement because you unknowingly loaned your friend money for starting a pyramid scheme when your friend said its for something else.Am i inadequate because i do not know him well enough? Things that are out of your control doesn't necessarily mean that you do not try to afflict change in another manner.
"Only a slave would accept his fate.A man would bring it upon his hands to change it." *Andrew Ryan moment biggrin.gif
The only shallow person here is the indifferent man that accepts it as it is.In the end , im sure the "bad" player still wants to win.Why be that guy that denies the opportunity?(whether intentional or not)

So, you believe you can win better by demoralizing your own teammates? That will increase your odds of winning? Exactly, you are only hurting yourself.

It is naive to believe that you win because you are individually good and you lose only because your team is bad.

I would be ok if i had to use a few swears here and there to "demoralize" them so that they play better.I know im being a hypocrite because it doesn't usually turn out that way but more often than not i find it more successful(for me) than to do it in a calm manner DEPENDING on the types of "bad" players you run into.For those who are indifferent , usually nothing works so the language i use would depend on how far behind they are and relative team contribution.

I'm not trying to portray myself as a selfish player , but the extremities of these "bad" players really makes you feel like having your rig in your vicinity a really bad idea.That said , sometimes(to your second statement) it is that way and sometimes it isn't(just because) , but that mentality is the difference between a really frustrating win and a really acceptable loss ; the tipping point ofwhich is the level of contribution between your team and you ala how many of them you have to "carry" or had "pulled their own weight".
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Also, comparing losing in Dota to slavery and panzi scheme is pretty darn inappropriate.

Yeah well give and take , those were the only examples that i can think of in a span of a few minutes. redface.gif
    
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Players should be able to leave a game any time they want.
Even if it's 5 minutes into it.
I really hate the DoTA community. They make the Counter-Strike competitive community look friendly.

Sounds like you don't belong in the moba game community then. When playing, you are a part of a team. When you leave, you are essentially ruining that game for 9 other people. You have to think about someone besides yourself when you play these games.

I have a feeling that a lot of people here do not even know what this game type is or what it entails. Anyways, F2P is a good idea, seeing as how both LoL and HoN operate with this model and are doing well. It would have been wrong of valve to attempt anything different. I just hope they don't screw it up with this crazy new idea. biggrin.gif
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I would be ok if i had to use a few swears here and there to "demoralize" them so that they play better.I know im being a hypocrite because it doesn't usually turn out that way but more often than not i find it more successful(for me) than to do it in a calm manner DEPENDING on the types of "bad" players you run into.For those who are indifferent , usually nothing works so the language i use would depend on how far behind they are and relative team contribution.

Players like you who demoralize other players is the opposite direction Valve is trying to take with this game. Cursing at your team, regardless of their current status, is inappropriate. In a sports match, do you actively curse at your team mates for lack of performance? No, because they do worse.

I've seen types like you on dota 2 criticizing players, some telling them to leave dota entirely, instructing them to uninstall the client and never come back - that's just sick.
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I would be ok if i had to use a few swears here and there to "demoralize" them so that they play better.I know im being a hypocrite because it doesn't usually turn out that way but more often than not i find it more successful(for me) than to do it in a calm manner DEPENDING on the types of "bad" players you run into.For those who are indifferent , usually nothing works so the language i use would depend on how far behind they are and relative team contribution.

Players like you who demoralize other players is the opposite direction Valve is trying to take with this game. Cursing at your team, regardless of their current status, is inappropriate. In a sports match, do you actively curse at your team mates for lack of performance? No, because they do worse.

I've seen types like you on dota 2 criticizing players, some telling them to leave dota entirely, instructing them to uninstall the client and never come back - that's just sick.

Come back when you are the only decent one on your team. rolleyes.gif
    
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Come back when you are the only decent one on your team. rolleyes.gif

What so you think you have the right to curse and swear at another person?

Btw I've carried teams before. That's what DPS/carry classes are for.
Edited by end0rphine - 4/21/12 at 8:23am
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If you get into a game with chia233, and he is acting like a raging douche, just report his behavior. Done deal.

You get better by emulating those who are more skilled than you. Watch any pro match and you will find ZERO raging or unsportsmanlike conduct.
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