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On my part , that was probably a poor choice of words ; probably a little too aggressive as i get a little annoyed by "these" types of players(nothing against TFL) but my point still stands.If you were able to make someone rage to a point it bothers you within 10 minutes , you probably aren't performing your best

Ofcourse , i've played way too much LoL for my own good (i have like more than 2000 games) and some amount of DOTA though its mostly LAN.Not cursing the first time round is just delaying the inevitable because most of them don't listen to what you have to say and does the same mistakes repeatedly.Ofcourse , both of us are talking about variable extremes , where people make whole sentences with swears and people that has an IQ of a rock when playing.


Ofcourse it has , these kinds of players just increases the level of agony when losing a slow and unwinnable game or make it really boring for the winning team because the other team didn't even put up a fight.

I find it quite ironic that you are making excuses for trying to justify excuses in a game.Excuse-ception? wink.gif

Well , trying and sucking can also be rephrased as "still not doing well enough" so its a matter of perspective , hypocritical as it seems.Its those times(to the "bad" player) where trying your best isn't good enough , then you better step up to the plate and actively improve in the game.The issue is that most of them do not go beyond their ability to improve and just gives up leading to more rage and vice versa.
In a sort of way , the bad player is bringing it upon themselves.

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It shouldn't matter how you're performing. Positive feedback, encouraging and helping your team mates is the proper way to handle things. If you play a match with random people then you need to be tolerant of varying skill levels and be aware that people are going to make mistakes at some point.

Yes, I'm talking about extremes, but even the light insults don't help -- so why do them? If you're aggravated by a player performing poorly, you obviously want to win -- so why make it worse? Why not try and help the player? And if they don't listen there's nothing you can do.

If someone is trolling, ignore them and report them after the game.
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It shouldn't matter how you're performing. Positive feedback, encouraging and helping your team mates is the proper way to handle things. If you play a match with random people then you need to be tolerant of varying skill levels and be aware that people are going to make mistakes at some point.
Yes, I'm talking about extremes, but even the light insults don't help -- so why do them? If you're aggravated by a player performing poorly, you obviously want to win -- so why make it worse? Why not try and help the player? And if they don't listen there's nothing you can do.
If someone is trolling, ignore them and report them after the game.

QFT to the max!
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It shouldn't matter how you're performing. Positive feedback, encouraging and helping your team mates is the proper way to handle things. If you play a match with random people then you need to be tolerant of varying skill levels and be aware that people are going to make mistakes at some point.
Yes, I'm talking about extremes, but even the light insults don't help -- so why do them? If you're aggravated by a player performing poorly, you obviously want to win -- so why make it worse? Why not try and help the player? And if they don't listen there's nothing you can do.
If someone is trolling, ignore them and report them after the game.

After however many years of playing online games, I've given up all hope in trying to teach other players anything. The noobs that I've seen in dota for example don't seem to think they're doing anything wrong and try to argue with you. This tends to go for most games that are coop with a steep learning curve.
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After however many years of playing online games, I've given up all hope in trying to teach other players anything. The noobs that I've seen in dota for example don't seem to think they're doing anything wrong and try to argue with you. This tends to go for most games that are coop with a steep learning curve.

I play Zealot Frenzy which is 1/10 of what Dota is with Hero. I never really played Dota back in WC3 but i know from Footman and Zealot Frenzy that it takes thousands of game to be good and yo still can improve.
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It shouldn't matter how you're performing. Positive feedback, encouraging and helping your team mates is the proper way to handle things. If you play a match with random people then you need to be tolerant of varying skill levels and be aware that people are going to make mistakes at some point.
Clearly you haven't read what i said.Read it again and come back , stop repeating yourself.
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Not cursing the first time round is just delaying the inevitable because most of them don't listen to what you have to say and does the same mistakes repeatedly

The issue is that most of them do not go beyond their ability to improve and just gives up leading to more rage and vice versa.
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Yes, I'm talking about extremes, but even the light insults don't help -- so why do them? If you're aggravated by a player performing poorly, you obviously want to win -- so why make it worse? Why not try and help the player? And if they don't listen there's nothing you can do.

If someone is trolling, ignore them and report them after the game.

Firstly , not listening to advice isn't "trolling" , but its a good way to at least stop the other player from raging which most do not bother but hypocritically whine about people complaining about their skills.As far as i am concerned , these bad players are the biggest trolls in the community , not the person who raged.Secondly , what do you mean by "nothing i can do"? If im hooting angry at a stranger for ruining our team's chances of winning , what do you think i would do? doh.gif

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If you get into a game with chia233, and he is acting like a raging douche, just report his behavior. Done deal.

You get better by emulating those who are more skilled than you. Watch any pro match and you will find ZERO raging or unsportsmanlike conduct.

Clearly you do not watch enough 'pro' streams playing in pub matches to make the call.Most of them will make raging in pub games seem tame and minute. rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif
    
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Lol. I see tons of rage in pro matches, be it CS, StarCraft, Warcraft, or DoTA. There's tons of rage in the pro videos.
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If you get into a game with chia233, and he is acting like a raging douche, just report his behavior. Done deal.
You get better by emulating those who are more skilled than you. Watch any pro match and you will find ZERO raging or unsportsmanlike conduct.

You need to watch the complexity CPL videos then. Jason Lake the Manager for the team constantly raged at his team during LAN's. Complexity has also had the the best teams in multiple games, and still do.
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You need to watch the complexity CPL videos then. Jason Lake the Manager for the team constantly raged at his team during LAN's. Complexity has also had the the best teams in multiple games, and still do.
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Clearly you do not watch enough 'pro' streams playing in pub matches to make the call.Most of them will make raging in pub games seem tame and minute. rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif

Please show me a tournament vid where they are raging over chat for the public to see. If they want to rail at each other in private games (or in their team chat) that's their prerogative. The environment there is hardly analogous to a pub game. However, when it comes to playing other teams, or communicating with them, it is all "gg" and sporstman-like conduct. This is the behavior I was suggesting should be emulated; how they treat opponents or strangers (which in pubs does equate teammates.) Next you are going to try to blow my mind by telling me that Vince Lombardi used to really let his players have it in the locker room when they played like ass. Please spare me.
Edited by Solarin - 4/22/12 at 1:40pm
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I play Zealot Frenzy which is 1/10 of what Dota is with Hero. I never really played Dota back in WC3 but i know from Footman and Zealot Frenzy that it takes thousands of game to be good and yo still can improve.

Here's the thing, not everyone will improve their skills at the same speed as the next person. Some people don't take a moment to think about why they died and what they can do to improve. And I'll say this much, it's pretty difficulty to stay calm and collected in dota if you're doing poorly. And anyone on your team can disrupt anything good you have going. And specifically in pubs, it makes matters so much worse when there's a language barrier as well. Yes, I'm looking at you brazilians playing on the USeast servers!

Dota has the steepest learning curve I've ever seen from any game. There are so many small little things that will improve your gameplay so much, such as knowing juke spots, how to counter ward, or countering specific heroes.
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Please show me a tournament vid where they are raging over chat for the public to see. If they want to rail at each other in private games (or in their team chat) that's their prerogative. The environment there is hardly analogous to a pub game. However, when it comes to playing other teams, or communicating with them, it is all "gg" and sporstman-like conduct. This is the behavior I was suggesting should be emulated; how they treat opponents or strangers (which in pubs does equate teammates.) Next you are going to try to blow my mind by telling me that Vince Lombardi used to really let his players have it in the locker room when they played like ass. Please spare me.[/quote]

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It happens all the time on LAN's though. I take it you've never actually been to a big tournament?
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