Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › CS:S/1.6: Mouse Discussion
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

CS:S/1.6: Mouse Discussion - Page 2

post #11 of 26
Surface:
Look into SteelSeries 5L. I have no experience with it, but it is like a plastic pad with a cloth like surface. Ask others if they can tell you the specifics.

Mouse:
Well, AM (GS) is great if you're coming from the XAI, but you will probably dislike the narrow design and the stiff switches. And you'd need to get used to either lower or higher CPI (no 1800dpi, only 1150 and 2300dpi). But the sensor performance is said to be really good. Very good feet also (though some say large feet are a disadvantage).

I like my AM, but ordered the EC eVo (both versions, gotta test). It is the same great sensor as the AM, but better switches. EC1 eVo is close to a Deathadder in shape, which you will probably dislike, but the EC2 eVo is smaller and might be something to look at.

Sensor performance wise, Deathadder, Zowie and G400 is probably the best you can get.
post #12 of 26
Kinzu is too small and forces a claw crip, probably something you wouldn't like coming from two large heavy palm mice.

The Zowie AM is probably the best mouse on the market for literally everyone, size, grip, performance, ambidextrous, perfect weight. However, I think the GS is terrible, glossy mice suck.

The Kana is the wildcard. I haven't yet used one, but I can tell I wouldn't like the side buttons.
Money
(17 items)
 
Z575
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700 @ 3.8Ghz MSI B350 Pro Carbon GIGABYTE R9 390 8GB 1100/1650Mhz 16GB Team DDR4-3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
PNY CS1311 240GB - OS 2 x 2TB WD Black Raid 0 Synology DS416slim 4 x 1TB (raid 5) Corsair H100 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro ElementaryOS Loki LG 29UM67P 29" 2560x1080 FreeSync HPE 87 w/ Browns + Ducky PBT caps 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
EVGA 600W B2 Lian Li PCA05N Steelseries Rival 100 FiiO G10K + Logitech G230 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3420M @ 2.2Ghz 1.1v Lenovo Torpedo A55 6720g2 8GB Kingston 1600 CL9 
Hard DriveOSMouse
Samsung 840 250GB ElementaryOS x86_64 Abyssus 3.5G 
  hide details  
Reply
Money
(17 items)
 
Z575
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700 @ 3.8Ghz MSI B350 Pro Carbon GIGABYTE R9 390 8GB 1100/1650Mhz 16GB Team DDR4-3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
PNY CS1311 240GB - OS 2 x 2TB WD Black Raid 0 Synology DS416slim 4 x 1TB (raid 5) Corsair H100 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro ElementaryOS Loki LG 29UM67P 29" 2560x1080 FreeSync HPE 87 w/ Browns + Ducky PBT caps 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
EVGA 600W B2 Lian Li PCA05N Steelseries Rival 100 FiiO G10K + Logitech G230 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3420M @ 2.2Ghz 1.1v Lenovo Torpedo A55 6720g2 8GB Kingston 1600 CL9 
Hard DriveOSMouse
Samsung 840 250GB ElementaryOS x86_64 Abyssus 3.5G 
  hide details  
Reply
post #13 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by S.M. View Post

Kinzu is too small and forces a claw crip, probably something you wouldn't like coming from two large heavy palm mice.
The Zowie AM is probably the best mouse on the market for literally everyone, size, grip, performance, ambidextrous, perfect weight. However, I think the GS is terrible, glossy mice suck.
The Kana is the wildcard. I haven't yet used one, but I can tell I wouldn't like the side buttons.

There is no such thing as the best anything on the market for everyone.
post #14 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Axaion View Post

There is no such thing as the best anything on the market for everyone.

Yes there is. It's the zowie AM.
Money
(17 items)
 
Z575
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700 @ 3.8Ghz MSI B350 Pro Carbon GIGABYTE R9 390 8GB 1100/1650Mhz 16GB Team DDR4-3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
PNY CS1311 240GB - OS 2 x 2TB WD Black Raid 0 Synology DS416slim 4 x 1TB (raid 5) Corsair H100 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro ElementaryOS Loki LG 29UM67P 29" 2560x1080 FreeSync HPE 87 w/ Browns + Ducky PBT caps 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
EVGA 600W B2 Lian Li PCA05N Steelseries Rival 100 FiiO G10K + Logitech G230 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3420M @ 2.2Ghz 1.1v Lenovo Torpedo A55 6720g2 8GB Kingston 1600 CL9 
Hard DriveOSMouse
Samsung 840 250GB ElementaryOS x86_64 Abyssus 3.5G 
  hide details  
Reply
Money
(17 items)
 
Z575
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700 @ 3.8Ghz MSI B350 Pro Carbon GIGABYTE R9 390 8GB 1100/1650Mhz 16GB Team DDR4-3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
PNY CS1311 240GB - OS 2 x 2TB WD Black Raid 0 Synology DS416slim 4 x 1TB (raid 5) Corsair H100 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro ElementaryOS Loki LG 29UM67P 29" 2560x1080 FreeSync HPE 87 w/ Browns + Ducky PBT caps 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
EVGA 600W B2 Lian Li PCA05N Steelseries Rival 100 FiiO G10K + Logitech G230 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3420M @ 2.2Ghz 1.1v Lenovo Torpedo A55 6720g2 8GB Kingston 1600 CL9 
Hard DriveOSMouse
Samsung 840 250GB ElementaryOS x86_64 Abyssus 3.5G 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by S.M. View Post

Yes there is. It's the zowie AM.

Your opinion.
post #16 of 26
Can you say that if there was a perfect mouse, the AM would come closer to it than, say many other mice on the market?
post #17 of 26
I;d fully recommend the Logitech MX518, optical (meaning no problems with dust messing up the sensor, therefore your aim) and low DPI.

I've tried Razer DA, Steelseries Xai, MS Intellimouse 3.0, G400 and others, they're not in the same league as the MX518.

My 2cents.gif
Apocalypse Now
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[Intel] i7 2600k | 4.8Ghz HT 24/7 [Gigabyte] P67-UD7 B3 | BIOS F3H [AMD] Radeon HD6990 | 12.4 Beta [Corsair] Dominator 8GB 1600mhz CAS8 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
[G Skill] Pheonix Pro 60G SSD - Boot | 2TB Sams... [Custom Watercooled] EKWB | XSPC | Swiftec | Pr... [Windows7] Professional x64 [Samsung] S27A950D 27" 120hz 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
WASD Custom Keyboard - MX Blue (O-Ring Mod) | C... [Corsair] HX1000 | MDPC Sleeved [Silverstone] Modified Temjin TJ07 [Logitech] MX518 
Mouse PadAudioOther
[Steelseries] QCK+ [Asus] Xonar DG [Sennheiser] HD558 
  hide details  
Reply
Apocalypse Now
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
[Intel] i7 2600k | 4.8Ghz HT 24/7 [Gigabyte] P67-UD7 B3 | BIOS F3H [AMD] Radeon HD6990 | 12.4 Beta [Corsair] Dominator 8GB 1600mhz CAS8 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
[G Skill] Pheonix Pro 60G SSD - Boot | 2TB Sams... [Custom Watercooled] EKWB | XSPC | Swiftec | Pr... [Windows7] Professional x64 [Samsung] S27A950D 27" 120hz 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
WASD Custom Keyboard - MX Blue (O-Ring Mod) | C... [Corsair] HX1000 | MDPC Sleeved [Silverstone] Modified Temjin TJ07 [Logitech] MX518 
Mouse PadAudioOther
[Steelseries] QCK+ [Asus] Xonar DG [Sennheiser] HD558 
  hide details  
Reply
post #18 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

Your opinion.

It's amazing that those exist on forums.
Quote:
Originally Posted by resis View Post

Can you say that if there was a perfect mouse, the AM would come closer to it than, say many other mice on the market?

If that wasn't inferred by my statement than I think we have bigger issues.
Money
(17 items)
 
Z575
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700 @ 3.8Ghz MSI B350 Pro Carbon GIGABYTE R9 390 8GB 1100/1650Mhz 16GB Team DDR4-3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
PNY CS1311 240GB - OS 2 x 2TB WD Black Raid 0 Synology DS416slim 4 x 1TB (raid 5) Corsair H100 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro ElementaryOS Loki LG 29UM67P 29" 2560x1080 FreeSync HPE 87 w/ Browns + Ducky PBT caps 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
EVGA 600W B2 Lian Li PCA05N Steelseries Rival 100 FiiO G10K + Logitech G230 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3420M @ 2.2Ghz 1.1v Lenovo Torpedo A55 6720g2 8GB Kingston 1600 CL9 
Hard DriveOSMouse
Samsung 840 250GB ElementaryOS x86_64 Abyssus 3.5G 
  hide details  
Reply
Money
(17 items)
 
Z575
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700 @ 3.8Ghz MSI B350 Pro Carbon GIGABYTE R9 390 8GB 1100/1650Mhz 16GB Team DDR4-3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
PNY CS1311 240GB - OS 2 x 2TB WD Black Raid 0 Synology DS416slim 4 x 1TB (raid 5) Corsair H100 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro ElementaryOS Loki LG 29UM67P 29" 2560x1080 FreeSync HPE 87 w/ Browns + Ducky PBT caps 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
EVGA 600W B2 Lian Li PCA05N Steelseries Rival 100 FiiO G10K + Logitech G230 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3420M @ 2.2Ghz 1.1v Lenovo Torpedo A55 6720g2 8GB Kingston 1600 CL9 
Hard DriveOSMouse
Samsung 840 250GB ElementaryOS x86_64 Abyssus 3.5G 
  hide details  
Reply
post #19 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by S.M. View Post

It's amazing that those exist on forums.
If that wasn't inferred by my statement than I think we have bigger issues.

When i was deciding on a new mouse coming from a WMO 1.1 and a IME 3.0 i basically had three choices after alot of research.

Death Adder 3.5G
Razer abyssus
Zowie AM (Just release at the time, bit of a gamble)

It all depends on what kind of mouse you want. For twitch shooters i wanted a very light mouse with flawless sensors and no prediction or acceleration problems. The Death Adder is way to heavy, the Abyssus was perfect but had jitter problems. So the only choice was the Zowie AM.

It's all circumstantial thumb.gif
Computer
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 2500K / 4.5Ghz / 1.368v / 212 EVO+ ASUS P8Z77-V LK EVGA Geforce GTX 680 / 2GB / 1228MHz / 3479MHz Kingston HyperX Blu Black / 1600Mhz / 8GB (2x4GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOS
OCZ Vertex 4 / SSD / 128GB Seagate ST500413AS / HDD / SATA / 500GB Seagate ST1000DM003 / HDD / SATA / 1000GB Windows 8.1 Pro / 64Bit / Full 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Samsung S23A700D / 120Hz / 23" Dell 2312HM / IPS / 23" LG IPS231 / IPS / 23" CMStorm Quick Fire Rapid 
PowerMouseMouse PadAudio
Seasonic X760 / 80 Plus Gold Zowie AM SteelSeries NP+ M-Audio Q40 with Beyerdynamic EDT 770 VB pads ... 
  hide details  
Reply
Computer
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 2500K / 4.5Ghz / 1.368v / 212 EVO+ ASUS P8Z77-V LK EVGA Geforce GTX 680 / 2GB / 1228MHz / 3479MHz Kingston HyperX Blu Black / 1600Mhz / 8GB (2x4GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOS
OCZ Vertex 4 / SSD / 128GB Seagate ST500413AS / HDD / SATA / 500GB Seagate ST1000DM003 / HDD / SATA / 1000GB Windows 8.1 Pro / 64Bit / Full 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Samsung S23A700D / 120Hz / 23" Dell 2312HM / IPS / 23" LG IPS231 / IPS / 23" CMStorm Quick Fire Rapid 
PowerMouseMouse PadAudio
Seasonic X760 / 80 Plus Gold Zowie AM SteelSeries NP+ M-Audio Q40 with Beyerdynamic EDT 770 VB pads ... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huff View Post

The UPE material is actually the Teflon material used previously, Steelseries had to change the name since DuPont owns the rights to the Teflon name. I've had the Xai,
Sensei and Kinzu V2 Pro, from what I can remember they all used the same material for the mouse feet.
The Artisan Hayate glides a lot faster than the QcK pads, I would say that the Hayate is a QcK on steroids. I've never used the Hayabusa so I can't comment on that.

Haha, QcK on steroids, now that is my kind of thing.

I want a fast glide(which wont be inconsistent), and the Hayate is just about right from what I can tell. Though I'm interested on the Hayabusa after hearing that it's more like controlled version of the Hayate(slower) yet easier to stop which is the most important thing for me. If the Hayate is too fast for my liking, then it would be big waste of money and I don't want that, I'm broke atm. frown.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by SIDWULF View Post

Hey man, I hear you have the NP+?
Well if your sweating then that is the mat for you, it does not soak up moister like the QKC Heavy does. Man i hate my Heavy, it's so slow and mushy compared to the NP+ and the compressed fibers.
Also the mice im not sure which ones have flawless sensors, aka no acceleration or prediction. I know the Zowie AM has a flawless sensor and custom lens.

I had the NP+ for a while, and yeah it's a very good pad and lives up to its name: I even tested it by dropping a glass of water, just forms a puddle on the surface and doesn't get wet. But I don't like the rough texture, my wrist gets scratched after some fast swipes. frown.gif

...and you are right about the Heavy, seems it was a mistake. The heavy definitely feels slower, mushy is the word to be exact but feels nice though. I could have sworn my QcK+/SK Gaming were faster than the Heavy given the same circumstances.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

UPE isnt teflon. Just marketing on Steelseries part.
The actual glides between the Xai/Sensei and Kinzu v2 pro come from different sources.

Thanks Skylit, I was worried about this. Is this new material on the Kinzu V2 Pro comparable to the skates that comes with the XAi/Sensei as default? Will it scratch up a mouse pad, say a new Hayate/Hayabusa/SK gaming?

and can you tell me if I should order this: http://shop.steelseries.com/en/accessories/steelseries-glide-kinzu.html

The glide Kinzu is just like the original XAi/Sensei's skates, but just smaller right? Or is it the same which comes with the original Kinzu V1(which is horrible). Please shed some light on this, if I order from the SS shop, I'll most likely order the feet together, that is if I get the Kinzu V2 Pro.

Thanks Skylit, I've been following your posts for a very long time, and have learnt a lot. Thanks man. smile.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by resis View Post

Surface:
Look into SteelSeries 5L. I have no experience with it, but it is like a plastic pad with a cloth like surface. Ask others if they can tell you the specifics.
Mouse:
Well, AM (GS) is great if you're coming from the XAI, but you will probably dislike the narrow design and the stiff switches. And you'd need to get used to either lower or higher CPI (no 1800dpi, only 1150 and 2300dpi). But the sensor performance is said to be really good. Very good feet also (though some say large feet are a disadvantage).
I like my AM, but ordered the EC eVo (both versions, gotta test). It is the same great sensor as the AM, but better switches. EC1 eVo is close to a Deathadder in shape, which you will probably dislike, but the EC2 eVo is smaller and might be something to look at.
Sensor performance wise, Deathadder, Zowie and G400 is probably the best you can get.

Thanks man for the reply. smile.gif

I seriosly love the glossy coating of my XAi R.U.S.E, it helps with the sweat. The rubber coating from the original DA/DA:BE were just horrible for my hands. It was always a mess, after a few session but not with my current XAi. So I prefer a glossy mouse, even if it's some quirks overall(have to compromise somewhere). frown.gif

I'm looking at the GS now, as it does boast glossy sides atleast. I had the MX, sensor was pretty nice but the shape was just not meant for me, too big. Now that you say about the EC2 eVo, I'll have to give it more thought. Same sensor as the AM, so in theory it should perform similar right? And what about the shape, is it smaller than the XAi/AM, comparable to the Kana atleast and light weight?

Oh, and I didn't really like the 5L. I tried it a few years back at a shop. I always go back to the QcK series for some reason. tongue.gif

Sorry for all the questions, hope you don't mind. tongue.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by S.M. View Post

Kinzu is too small and forces a claw crip, probably something you wouldn't like coming from two large heavy palm mice.
The Zowie AM is probably the best mouse on the market for literally everyone, size, grip, performance, ambidextrous, perfect weight. However, I think the GS is terrible, glossy mice suck.
The Kana is the wildcard. I haven't yet used one, but I can tell I wouldn't like the side buttons.

Haha, but I like glossy mice, to each his own. smile.gif The AM is perfect for my needs, after all the only FPS I play CSS/1.6, and a big part of me is dedicated to these games. But I want a smaller footprint, like the G9x/Kinzu/Salmosa, I've pretty small hands. biggrin.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by toaad View Post

I;d fully recommend the Logitech MX518, optical (meaning no problems with dust messing up the sensor, therefore your aim) and low DPI.
I've tried Razer DA, Steelseries Xai, MS Intellimouse 3.0, G400 and others, they're not in the same league as the MX518.
My 2cents.gif

Thanks buddy for your opinion. If I am right, the WMO 1.1 is just shaped just like the XAi, but has a decent sensor even if it's only 400DPI? I can play at that DPI, no problem but what about the shape? Are there any glossy version available?

Thank you everyone for taking the time to write these replies for my cause. Rep+ to you guys. smile.gif
Edited by dipanzan - 4/22/12 at 11:30am
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Mice
Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › CS:S/1.6: Mouse Discussion