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hd2/3000 are ok to drop, but I think the 4000 should get some more time/love.
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making a FINAL driver would be excellant, and leaving open source in case a port is needed for something else.
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hd2/3000 are ok to drop, but I think the 4000 should get some more time/love.

The problem is HD 2000/3000/4000 are identical architecture.
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The problem is HD 2000/3000/4000 are identical architecture.

And the 4000 series still holds its own compared to newer cards. Cutting Linux support I can understand. It's too soon too cut Windows support though.
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Forcing people to update because of no driver support is a douche bag move.  Not having enough processing is a sign of the times, not really this.  As far as I can see half the DX9/10 games still run well on a 4870.

Microsoft should keep supporting people using XP? (Released over 10 years ago... it's amazing how people won't move on). DICE shouldn't have dropped DX9.0c support?

While they were released a longer time ago, the concept is the same. There's a point where you are hurting your more lucrative users (the guys like us that buy every or every other generation) and other users that are more current.

I do feel 4 years is a bit short... I think 5 would be a good number, but 4 isn't crazy and I'd hardly call it a douchebag move. They probably had a good reason for it - likely it had something to dowith DX10/SM4.
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Not digging the whole 4k series drop. My secondary rig runs a 4830. I really wish they would keep it.
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post #67 of 108
I can see something similar happening to what they're doing with the Windows 8 consumer preview drivers. They support 5000/6000/7000 series but not older. I guess that when windows 8 comes about the drivers will be the same way. Kind of a shame though as my 4870x2 can still play bf3 high 2560x1600 @ 25 fps. Drivers must not be that great anyway since if I lower my settings to 800x600 low I only get 35 fps. Any demanding game like Crysis, GTA IV, etc. all act that way.
 
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I think its a good idea since now only DX11 card will be updated. HD 4870 is 4 years old. After 3 years i would not mind to stop support. Its not like current driver are helping these card. This is good for current AMD owners because i would mean they have to go through much less cards for each update so they got more time to work with HD 7XXX.

And for the low-end rebrands such as my HD545v? (In reality, a HD4550m)
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Exactly, for example if a game comes out and has a texture bug that only affects a card in one of these series, AMD won't fix it, you will have to rely on the game's developer to fix it.

At the point where the game costs more then the GPU its time to upgrade. Sold my HD 4870 for $60 2 month ago. No point to support it. People that still use HD 4870 to this days are either pirates or dont play games at all. Nobody is stupid to buy $60 games and not upgrade GPU.

I'm sorry, but do you live in a bubble? I know plenty of people (Who aren't pirates...) who use HD4k or similar nVidia cards (GTS 250) to game because they don't care about maxing out the game.
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Forcing people to update because of no driver support is a douche bag move.  Not having enough processing is a sign of the times, not really this.  As far as I can see half the DX9/10 games still run well on a 4870.

i think the drivers for those cards are mature enough and dropping support means they wont release driver updates for games and stuff of the sort or even windows 7 driver support or anything... really how hard is it to understand that if you want something faster or that supports the newest games you have to have the newest cards

Yeah, the Windows support is an easy just don't bother checking for updates any more but that doesn't change the fact that if a new game comes out and has bugs galore, they won't get any driver fixes...
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And i disagree with you on that, your statement is short sighted as far as I see it.
  1. Games are regularly on sale
  2. Not everyone buy games on release when the prices are so high
  3. Not everyone can afford to upgrade often
  4. Some people just don't like to upgrade often
  5. Not everyone is concerned about being able to run at the highest settings
  6. Not every play games as much as others
Agreed. For me my upgrade cycle is pretty long 4/5 years,
Agreed.
That's what I am saying....

The point is you dont need driver every month for older cards to play games. Think of it as you get what you cant afford. You want to latest and greatest then spend some money. Even for my brother that does not play much intense PC game i upgrade his HD 4870 because it was getting old.

And if there's bugs in games caused by drivers? Not everyone can afford a HD7970...I only upgraded off my GTX 275 because 1) it died and 2) I got a great deal for my 470.
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You don't need a new driver every month in Windows, but no new driver in Linux will lead to situations when you cannot upgrade the kernel. Look at the recent debacle that was Catalyst driver support in Fedora 16 when it was released (took AMD months to get a driver out to work with the new kernel). People will have to make a choice, keep an older kernel (and possibly older software with vulnerabilities) or switch to the open source driver.

The problem is that Linux is like less then 2% of OS. Add to that Nvidia GPU and GPUs newer then HD 4XXX then its so small i dont see a Business even caring about that small percentage.
Also as far as fixing problems for GPU, AMD has hard enough time fixing problems for people that spend $500 in GPUs let alone legacy GPUs. It takes months to fix problems for new GPU, Imagen older GPU. IF you are going to wait 1 year might as well forget about support.

If they truly didn't care about Linux, they wouldn't bring a driver out. Not to mention, if you had any idea of what you're talking about, you'd know it's not the actual GPU dependent stuff that would need to be updated...New X Server comes out? Oh well, time to update drive-oh wait! Can't now. Forced to buy a new GPU/APU. They could leave the HD2000/HD3000/HD4000 stuff in code if they really wanted and just not update it, because the Open Source Radeon driver isn't up to scratch for 3D rendering on those cards yet. (IMO at least)
Not to mention, HD5k uses the same architecture but with DX11 support...Should they cut that out too?
    
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At the point where the game costs more then the GPU its time to upgrade. Sold my HD 4870 for $60 2 month ago. No point to support it. People that still use HD 4870 to this days are either pirates or dont play games at all. Nobody is stupid to buy $60 games and not upgrade GPU.

I guess that makes my girlfriend either stupid or a pirate, since she plays Skyrim on High with her 4870.

With that being said though, I feel the drivers are mature enough after four years now that it's not unreasonable to drop support out of future releases. They haven't even confirmed that it's going to be dropped from the Windows version of Catalyst, anyway, and if it ends up being just Linux, it's even more understandable.
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And for the low-end rebrands such as my HD545v? (In reality, a HD4550m)
I'm sorry, but do you live in a bubble? I know plenty of people (Who aren't pirates...) who use HD4k or similar nVidia cards (GTS 250) to game because they don't care about maxing out the game.
Yeah, the Windows support is an easy just don't bother checking for updates any more but that doesn't change the fact that if a new game comes out and has bugs galore, they won't get any driver fixes...
And if there's bugs in games caused by drivers? Not everyone can afford a HD7970...I only upgraded off my GTX 275 because 1) it died and 2) I got a great deal for my 470.
If they truly didn't care about Linux, they wouldn't bring a driver out. Not to mention, if you had any idea of what you're talking about, you'd know it's not the actual GPU dependent stuff that would need to be updated...New X Server comes out? Oh well, time to update drive-oh wait! Can't now. Forced to buy a new GPU/APU. They could leave the HD2000/HD3000/HD4000 stuff in code if they really wanted and just not update it, because the Open Source Radeon driver isn't up to scratch for 3D rendering on those cards yet. (IMO at least)
Not to mention, HD5k uses the same architecture but with DX11 support...Should they cut that out too?

You got to draw the line. Also they said Linux so far so no Word in Windows. They will eventually start to drop them because HD 7XXX uses different architecture. Just like they did for X19XX under.
Basically they are dropping support for DX11 line up. Same as they did for 9500 - x 1900. DX9 line up. You still have DX9 game even to this date.
We can both say what we want but in the end of the day we have next to no contribution to their decision.

@ Shadin.
I know a lot of people that play with older GPU. My coausen for exmaple has a 8800GTS. All he plays is my SC2 account ( yeah he cant buy game) CSS he bought ages ago and CS :GO that i invited him. Also have a friend which plays a lot of PC game and he had a HD 4870 and askme me to upgrade so he got a HD 6870. if u play a game or two i dont think you even know about driver or even bother to update them.
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