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i dont see the big problem with GFWL. it can be really annoying at times, but i like its benefits..i dont know about everyone else, but my old xbox 360 account is my gfwl account, and i had a lot of friends from my days as a 360 player so its nice to see them all on there and keep in touch, also i have met some awesome people on gfwl games.
 
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Are those going to severely hamper your ability to play the game?
GFWL can cause bugs, performance slowdowns, corruption, etc.
Running at 720p with a console controller at 30fps isn't really going to hamper your gaming experience unless you're shallow enough to not get sucked into a game anyway. If the games fun enough you'll stop noticing the resolution, etc quickly.
While I think say, the online play would still be based off the live version (Not GFWL, but XBL. There's differences, obviously.) the save games, etc probably wouldn't be. They'd have to change it from XBL to GFWL anyway. Not to mention, GFWL can slow down games...Proven fact.
As for all the people complaining that PC gamers complain a lot about games...Well, I wasn't the least bit interested in Dark Souls PC until I heard about it from all the GFWL stuff anyway.
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Generally 30fps is a terrible experience because while your average is 30, you're dipping below 30 often. If your minimum is around 30 then that's the minimum for fluid gameplay. Yeah, there's a difference but there isn't much of one.

You're one of those nut jobs from the "human eyes can't detect anything beyond 24hz and cant resolve images any more precise than 120dpi" camp, aren't you?
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As before, I was already buying this so it's not a massive deal for me. Pretty interesting if they actually listened to their customers and didn't go against them. Might actually have a place next to Valve or Bethesda in the PC world, but I wouldn't jump the gun just yet.
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I was watching a video review of dark souls the other day and they basically said/showed that certain parts of the game stutter hard and run at ~10fps on the console. A stable 60fps on a PC (even 30fps) would be worlds better.
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I was watching a video review of dark souls the other day and they basically said/showed that certain parts of the game stutter hard and run at ~10fps on the console. A stable 60fps on a PC (even 30fps) would be worlds better.

This.

Also, no GFWL is awesome (as long as they don't trade for Origin haha).
I was willing to buy it even with gfwl, now I want it more.
    
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This.
Also, no GFWL is awesome (as long as they don't trade for Origin haha).
I was willing to buy it even with gfwl, now I want it more.

As much as I hate Origin; it is at least trying to be a decent service...eventually.
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From Software are bros in my book. Yea they are doing a quick port over to PC. it is something they weren't planning on doing, but they heard a plea from PC folks and are making it happen with additional content. Damn I'm excited about this because I LOVE Dark Souls.

You guys crack me up, you folks are so uptight and can't enjoy the good things in life because of Games for Windows Live. First world problems and I couldn't muster an ounce of sympathy for any of you. I suggest pulling your balls out of your purses and maning up a bit next time you play your vidya rofl.
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If they drop GFWL this will be a launch day purchase for me.
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From Software are bros in my book. Yea they are doing a quick port over to PC. it is something they weren't planning on doing, but they heard a plea from PC folks and are making it happen with additional content. Damn I'm excited about this because I LOVE Dark Souls.
You guys crack me up, you folks are so uptight and can't enjoy the good things in life because of Games for Windows Live. First world problems and I couldn't muster an ounce of sympathy for any of you. I suggest pulling your balls out of your purses and maning up a bit next time you play your vidya rofl.

I am glad to OCN remains a place where enthusiasts with similar interests can meet to discuss and debate the latest happenings in the world of tech with civility and humility. You are a credit to the boards sir, and I am honored to quote your eloquent words.

Anyway, it seems there is some confusion as to how the free market works. Gamers are a consumer participating in a market, the games market. They are looking to purchase "x" amount of gaming enjoyment for "y" dollars.

So what determines "x"? "X" is determined by how good the game is, perhaps how long the game is, does it have a lot of bugs/glitches, is it easy to play or is there onerous DRM, etc. All those things factor into how much enjoyment, otherwise known to economists as "utility", a given game has for a given consumer.

Now games are a highly elastic good, there are many alternatives that exist both to individual games and for your entertainment dollars in general. A company that is trying to sell a game will want to increase "x", or the utility of their game, without spending too much on production. The greater the "x" value is, the more people will purchase a game at a certain "y", which is whatever price they have decided to launch the game at.

For many gamers, not you obviously, but for many the inclusion of GFWL reduces that "x" value. Meaning less people willing to buy the game at a given price, which means less money overall for the publisher/developer. If it is relatively cheap and easy to switch from GFWL to another service, they have just made a move that makes their game not only more popular with core gamers, they have directly increased their bottom line.

You don't get 30,000+ signatures on a petition to remove Steamworks from games, you don't get 30,000+ petitions to get a game off of GOG.com. You only get that kind of outcry over something people really don't like. In fact it is a great tool for the publishers to get some direct feedback from their potential customers so they can make the decisions that not only make their customers happy, but also improve their bottom line.

In the end it is only indirectly about the consumer. Their tastes drive sales, which drives the decisions made by the publisher/developer.

/I am not an economist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night
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Personalty I hope the devs. did not cave in to a few wieners as a change like that will most likely delay the game. Plus there is nothing at all wrong with GFWL period.
 
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