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Nice take longrod's suggestion and get the 680 and only be able to use 60-70% of it thumb.gif

dude. A 1100T WILL NOOT!!! BOTTLENECK A 680!!!! wake up this last gen of amd may have bombed but the 1100T is currently there best processor. i know your teasing but really come on.
Edited by michaelcat41 - 4/21/12 at 12:21pm
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Definatley sell the cpu and get ivy you will see a massive bump in performance, imagine getting the 680 and only getting 70% gpu usage that's what would happen with that old 1100t.

Totally ridiculous. To the point of laughable.

This is one of the 2 guys that are currently spamming the AMD forums with AMD hate. Not sure why but they are so ignore this guy and the Les Paul guy as well. Im actually surprised he hasnt popped in here to share his horrible experiences of 90% frame rate drops.

Here is a review by Tech Power Up comparing a Bulldozer and Sandy Bridge with a 7970 which is comparable to a GTX680.

BF3 = no difference
AvP = no difference
Batman AC = less than 10% difference
Civilization V = big difference. BD sucks at this game for some reason
Crysis 2 = no difference
Dirt 3 = there is a difference but both CPU's get WELL over 100 fps so you wont notice it
Dragon Age 2 = no difference
Hard Reset = Intel owns this one
Metro 2033 = no difference
Stalker COP = no difference
Starcraft 2 = Intel owns this one too
Total War = less than 10% difference
Skyrim = big difference on this one with the Intel
WOW = no difference

Alright so thats 4 games out of 14 where Intel runs off and leaves a Bulldozer behind. No factor in we're talking about a 1100 here which is faster than a Bulldozer in games and one that will be overclocked. So on the ones that Intel owns, I could almost guarantee you that you could get your Phenom close enough with proper overclocking and tweaking that you wouldnt notice the difference between it and the Intel.

These claims of "twice as fast" or "huge differences" are just not founded aside from a couple select games. There is very little difference between a Phenom and Sandy Bridge in all but a few games.

Nobody is saying that AMD is a faster proc than an Intel. However, its just idiotic to think that youre crippling your system or cant have an extremely capable gaming rig with an AMD system.
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1100T will not bottleneck a gtx 680.
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Totally ridiculous. To the point of laughable.
This is one of the 2 guys that are currently spamming the AMD forums with AMD hate. Not sure why but they are so ignore this guy and the Les Paul guy as well. Im actually surprised he hasnt popped in here to share his horrible experiences of 90% frame rate drops.
Here is a review by Tech Power Up comparing a Bulldozer and Sandy Bridge with a 7970 which is comparable to a GTX680.
BF3 = no difference
AvP = no difference
Batman AC = less than 10% difference
Civilization V = big difference. BD sucks at this game for some reason
Crysis 2 = no difference
Dirt 3 = there is a difference but both CPU's get WELL over 100 fps so you wont notice it
Dragon Age 2 = no difference
Hard Reset = Intel owns this one
Metro 2033 = no difference
Stalker COP = no difference
Starcraft 2 = Intel owns this one too
Total War = less than 10% difference
Skyrim = big difference on this one with the Intel
WOW = no difference
Alright so thats 4 games out of 14 where Intel runs off and leaves a Bulldozer behind. No factor in we're talking about a 1100 here which is faster than a Bulldozer in games and one that will be overclocked. So on the ones that Intel owns, I could almost guarantee you that you could get your Phenom close enough with proper overclocking and tweaking that you wouldnt notice the difference between it and the Intel.
These claims of "twice as fast" or "huge differences" are just not founded aside from a couple select games. There is very little difference between a Phenom and Sandy Bridge in all but a few games.
Nobody is saying that AMD is a faster proc than an Intel. However, its just idiotic to think that youre crippling your system or cant have an extremely capable gaming rig with an AMD system.

Yeah, it's seriously getting annoying.

I've blocked them, so there's no need for me to reply to them anymore. smile.gif
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post #25 of 53
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BF3 = no difference
AvP = no difference
Batman AC = less than 10% difference
Civilization V = big difference. BD sucks at this game for some reason
Crysis 2 = no difference
Dirt 3 = there is a difference but both CPU's get WELL over 100 fps so you wont notice it
Dragon Age 2 = no difference
Hard Reset = Intel owns this one
Metro 2033 = no difference
Stalker COP = no difference
Starcraft 2 = Intel owns this one too
Total War = less than 10% difference
Skyrim = big difference on this one with the Intel
WOW = no difference

Thats at huge resolutions where the gpu is doing all the work, at standard 1920x1080p 1100t will bottleneck.
post #26 of 53
You should actually read the review I linked to before commenting on it. The benchmarks are at several resolutions INCLUDING 1920x1200.

And higher resolutions work the processor HARDER so higher resolutions would be more demanding.

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Alright so thats 4 games out of 14 where Intel runs off and leaves a Bulldozer behind. No factor in we're talking about a 1100 here which is faster than a Bulldozer in games and one that will be overclocked. So on the ones that Intel owns, I could almost guarantee you that you could get your Phenom close enough with proper overclocking and tweaking that you wouldnt notice the difference between it and the Intel.
These claims of "twice as fast" or "huge differences" are just not founded aside from a couple select games. There is very little difference between a Phenom and Sandy Bridge in all but a few games.
Nobody is saying that AMD is a faster proc than an Intel. However, its just idiotic to think that youre crippling your system or cant have an extremely capable gaming rig with an AMD system.

Out of those games, you picked the highest res, which puts the least stress on the CPU. An "average" res would be 1680x1050, where BD lacks the power to provide top FPS overall. I'm not saying AMD is crap or the CPU makes him incapable of playing a game. But from a future standpoint ? Sure get a better CPU because it will bottleneck his 680 in about half the games at a common resolution.

If he can upgrade to a better CPU now, he won't have to worry about bottlenecking his future upgraded GPU (780 or something like that).
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You should actually read the review I linked to before commenting on it. The benchmarks are at several resolutions INCLUDING 1920x1200.
And higher resolutions work the processor HARDER so higher resolutions would be more demanding.
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A higher resolution will take the pressure off of the CPU. Since the GPU has to render a larger area, the FPS will drop. Therefor less information has to be send to and processed by the CPU, so the CPU will become less stressed.


EDIT: Also, last page of the review you linked.

139

That's an average of ~20% less in terms of FPS. That's quite something IMHO.
Edited by Xenthos - 4/21/12 at 2:59pm
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A higher resolution will take the pressure off of the CPU. Since the GPU has to render a larger area, the FPS will drop. Therefor less information has to be send to and processed by the CPU, so the CPU will become less stressed.
Indd but he wont listen he is still living in his fantasy land of no bottleneck's rolleyes.gif
The 1100t will hold back a 680 in certain games.
Haha nice atleast 20% better, so ye don't waste a 680 on that cpu /thread.
Edited by Projector - 4/21/12 at 3:02pm
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lol, so many dumb fanboy posts here rolleyes.gif

No one asked the OP what his resolution is, or what the rest of his system specs are...

Caos,

What is your resolution and refresh rate?

What games and applications will you be using this PC for?

Can you tell us the rest of the stuff in your PC?

Upgrading CPU will generally net more minimum FPS, and depending on the game, it could be a few like 3-5, or many like 10-15 if the game is particularly poorly coded to rely more on a single thread.

Upgrading GPU may net you double the FPS, but what's the point if your monitor is only medium resolution and 60HZ?

The final answer, is that first you buy a GPU based on it's capability at your resolution with detail settings to the maximum and keeping your refresh rate at maximum (60FPS or 120FPS for 60HZ or 120HZ). Then with your leftover money, buy the fastest CPU you can afford.

Now, hypothetically speaking, if your monitor is 1080p 60HZ, your current GPU should be handling things nicely. If you overclock your 1100T to 4GHZcpu/3GHZnb, it should handle modern games just fine. If it's not, and you have money to burn, then by all means upgrade.

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Higher resolutions are MORE DEMANDING on the processor than lower resolutions. The reason why the differences get smaller from low to high is that you're running out of GPU muscle. A CPU that's 20% faster at 1024x768 with a single video card will still be 20% faster at 2560x1600 with multiple GPU's.

And for the umpteenth time, nobody is saying AMD is faster than Intel. What I'm countering are all these mindless statements that you're going to lose half your performance or pick up double the frame rates when that is not shown in any benchmarks aside from a couple select games. Ideally for the best performance you'd get a GTX680 and a 2500k. No denying that. But if its "either/or", a 1100\GTX680 system will outperform a 2500K/6970 system because in the vast majority of games where AMD is comparable to Intel, you'll have much better performance with the 680 and for those handful of games where Intel pwns, the 680 will have enough muscle to make up for the difference in CPU horsepower and you'll still have slightly better or at least equal performance.

So again, if you can do both, 2500K and GTX680 for the win! If its between 1100/GTX680 or 2500K/6970, give me the 1100/680 all day long and twice on Sunday.

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