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AMD really needs to cut power consumption on PD,BD power consumption was a lot worse than Phenom II.

We can guess that's been done just by looking at Trinity.
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I really am not sure how any of you expect them to catch up with piledriver.
About 30-40% behind SB and now about 45-46% behind ivy. It is on the same freaking socket, since amd is hellbent on running this socket into the ground.
We need a new socket not another 10% bump at most, meaing amd is still far behind ivy/sb.
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"You wrong in cinebench 11 it´s says 2C/4T
And also in windows 7"

This is because that there is 2 MODULES, with 2THREADS/CORES each, It is that way because the Modules have 2 cores in them.
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Wich socket for Piledriver? FM2 or AM3+

I will be a AM3+ , and Piledrive is on schedule..I just met with AMD last night.. should have 2 - 4 on my desk with they release.. Yeepie!!!
     
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I really am not sure how any of you expect them to catch up with piledriver.
About 30-40% behind SB and now about 45-46% behind ivy. It is on the same freaking socket, since amd is hellbent on running this socket into the ground.
We need a new socket not another 10% bump at most, meaing amd is still far behind ivy/sb.

its not that much...
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I really am not sure how any of you expect them to catch up with piledriver.
About 30-40% behind SB and now about 45-46% behind ivy. It is on the same freaking socket, since amd is hellbent on running this socket into the ground.
We need a new socket not another 10% bump at most, meaing amd is still far behind ivy/sb.

So what if its on the same socket? Im glad its gonna be on the same socket so I wont have to buy a brand new motherboard to replace my beloved Sabertooth when Piledriver hits. Im all for backward compatibility as are most consumers which is why Intel made IB backward compatible.

Piledriver doesnt need to catch up all the way, just enough to be competitive. Right now, Bulldozer is around 25% slower than Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge is about 5% faster than Sandy so all Piledriver has to do is come in at least 15% faster than Bulldozer and even better if 20%, and youre on to something. Reason being that if they can come out with a $180 Piledriver 8 core Black Edition, itll compete with Intel's $250 i5. If its less than 10% slower but $70 cheaper and fully unlocked, youve got a very viable alternative to Intel. This goes doubly if Piledriver is an overclocking monster like Bulldozer is because Ivy Bridge really isnt as great an overclocker as Sandy was.

So Intel has slowed down a little and this is AMD's chance to catch up. But if they dont take advantage of it this time, then Intel will run off and leave them with Haswell next year and it will be VERY hard for AMD to catch up then.
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So what if its on the same socket? Im glad its gonna be on the same socket so I wont have to buy a brand new motherboard to replace my beloved Sabertooth when Piledriver hits. Im all for backward compatibility as are most consumers which is why Intel made IB backward compatible.

Actually I am surprised that AMD wants to stick with backward compatibility. In development cycle, backward compatibility actually add on to the development cost, and limits the development freedom. I would much prefer AMD uses a new socket on new design and spend that money somewhere else.
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Piledriver isnt a totally new architecture, thatll be Steamroller and that will require a brand new socket. Piledriver is just the 2nd generation of the Bulldozer architecture so they dont need a whole brand new socket. Theyre claiming up to 20% improvements over Zambezi and considering that they didnt claim much of anything with Zambezi over Thuban or Deneb, I gotta take that confidence as a good sign. Steamroller is where there will be a significant change in architecture and will require a new socket to work.
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Piledriver isnt a totally new architecture, thatll be Steamroller and that will require a brand new socket. Piledriver is just the 2nd generation of the Bulldozer architecture so they dont need a whole brand new socket. Theyre claiming up to 20% improvements over Zambezi and considering that they didnt claim much of anything with Zambezi over Thuban or Deneb, I gotta take that confidence as a good sign. Steamroller is where there will be a significant change in architecture and will require a new socket to work.

Ah I'm talking about BD should have gone with a brand new socket. My bad.
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Piledriver isnt a totally new architecture, thatll be Steamroller and that will require a brand new socket. Piledriver is just the 2nd generation of the Bulldozer architecture so they dont need a whole brand new socket. Theyre claiming up to 20% improvements over Zambezi and considering that they didnt claim much of anything with Zambezi over Thuban or Deneb, I gotta take that confidence as a good sign. Steamroller is where there will be a significant change in architecture and will require a new socket to work.

Ah I'm talking about BD should have gone with a brand new socket. My bad.

Ah, gotcha. I dont think it hurt them all that much. Granted Im nowhere near smart enough to be an engineer so I could be totally wrong but the problem with Bulldozer was IPC speed plain and simple. If Bulldozer's IPC had been 20% more than Phenom II's, they wouldve had a pretty dandy (yes I said dandy) processor on their hands. Again, Im talking out my rear end here but I dont think a new socket wouldve done anything to improve the IPC of the Bulldozer lineup.
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