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Tigerdirect just listed the FX-8350 for $205:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4904561&csid=_61
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Somebody please post IBT or Linx GFLOPS score (4 and 8 threads for FX83xx, 3/6 for FX63xx, 2/4 for FX43xx), with CPU Z shot, I'll be very thankful. smile.gif
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i just can't take it any more  >>>> going to keep my 1090T

Putting It All Together: Five Architectures At 4 GHz



What effect do all of those adjustments have on Piledriver's per-cycle performance? We ran five different architectures at 4 GHz to compare their relative results.
4ghz%20itunes.png
In iTunes, which we know to be single-threaded, the FX-8350 demonstrates significant gains over the Bulldozer-based FX-8150. But a Phenom II X6 1100T operating at the same frequency is still faster. And that's before we look at the Sandy and Ivy Bridge architectures, which jump way out in front of anything from AMD.

Yes, this only shows the architecture difference. However, all these review sites are full of *****. It's 2012, wake up, who cares about single threaded games or applications. Software developers are slacking for a very long time now. Forget about how difficult it is to actually code a balanced (work-load oriented) multi-threaded application, they just have to care and develop ! Because of this, all of these review sites MUST stop showing single core benchmarks OR They must show single and multi together then Make a Point.

Without this, you get anandtech bashing AMD and another site praising. Because anandtech will use dx9 games with ancient coding where intel shines and Other sites will show dx10-dx11 games where AMD shines or at least not much behind.

Review sites are a joke at the moment. You have to look at least 4-5 of them to actually make your own decision.
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Without this, you get anandtech bashing AMD and another site praising. Because anandtech will use dx9 games with ancient coding where intel shines and Other sites will show dx10-dx11 games where AMD shines or at least not much behind.

Anandtech benchmarked a newer, patched Skyrim and in windows 8.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5

If anandtech wanted to show pilerdriver in a bad way, they should have used an older (unpatched) version of Skyrim, which is what tomshareware seems to have done.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-14.html

By the way, the reason why some old PC games perform poorly on modern cpu's is not only because of poor multi-threading, but also because many old game engines do not use modern cpu instructions (such as SSE3).

For example, recently, an unofficial patch was released for Thief 1/2/Gold which greatly improved frame rates. The game is still single-threaded but now, it uses newer cpu instructions instead of older, slower instructions.

Benchmarks show that AMD is still behind Intel in some real-time strategy games.
It does not make sense to me why piledriver performs very well in some games, and not so well in other games.
I wonder if there is a bottleneck in the bus.
Are there any gaming benchmarks of piledriver with an overclocked bus?
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Yes, this only shows the architecture difference. However, all these review sites are full of *****. It's 2012, wake up, who cares about single threaded games or applications. Software developers are slacking for a very long time now. Forget about how difficult it is to actually code a balanced (work-load oriented) multi-threaded application, they just have to care and develop ! Because of this, all of these review sites MUST stop showing single core benchmarks OR They must show single and multi together then Make a Point.
Without this, you get anandtech bashing AMD and another site praising. Because anandtech will use dx9 games with ancient coding where intel shines and Other sites will show dx10-dx11 games where AMD shines or at least not much behind.
Review sites are a joke at the moment. You have to look at least 4-5 of them to actually make your own decision.

Here's how I see it.

Multi-thread tasks take a lot longer to complete than single thread. Transcoding audio is far, far quicker than transcoding video. I would much rather wait 30 extra seconds compared to 3570k for audio and then save minutes rendering a huge file.
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Anandtech benchmarked a newer, patched Skyrim and in windows 8.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5
If anandtech wanted to show pilerdriver in a bad way, they should have used an older (unpatched) version of Skyrim, which is what tomshareware seems to have done.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-14.html
By the way, the reason why some old PC games perform poorly on modern cpu's is not only because of poor multi-threading, but also because many old game engines do not use modern instructions (such as SSE3).
For example, recently, an unofficial patch was released for Thief 1/2/Gold which greatly improved frame rates. The game is still single-threaded but now, it uses newer hardware instructions instead of older, slower instructions.
Benchmarks show that AMD is still behind Intel in some real-time strategy games.
It does not make sense to me why piledriver performs very well in some games, and not so well in other games.
I wonder if there is a bottleneck in the bus.
Are there any gaming benchmarks of piledriver with an overclocked bus?

Thanks for detailing my point of view by mentioning Instruction Sets. Ofc they use ancient techniques, that's why it's called dark age programming. It's the same with doing amd or intel specific executables. It's just too much work for them. However it's gonna be ridicolous in near future, for example to run Starcraft 3 on 12 core cpu and get 30 fps. Well, on the positive side, they'll have to use dx11+ to make games and somehow dx11 games balance gpu+cpu. Or maybe dx11 features are too much for gfx cards that intel or amd don't matter.
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Here's how I see it.
Multi-thread tasks take a lot longer to complete than single thread. Transcoding audio is far, far quicker than transcoding video. I would much rather wait 30 extra seconds compared to 3570k for audio and then save minutes rendering a huge file.

I can't get the logic at this hour sorry.
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I don't think in any modern world you are ever going to see a truly unbiased review from any site on the internet,
sponsors, advertisers, investor's all have an influence on the individuals perspective and at the heart of it - it all comes down to personal preference or fanboyism as it is so easily called now days,

If you are going to bench a CPU that has an out of the box core speed of 4GHz then down clock it to match those that are beneath it's clock speed in theory that would be a closer comparison,
But there are so many other variables in the equation core clock voltage for one instance,

Under Clocking a CPU's voltage will have detrimental consequences and the same goes for Over volting a CPU that in turn will give it stamina and some gains,
Unless AMD and Intel have a CPU that works at the same voltage then you are never ever going to see a like for like core for core clock for clock bench like I said before Fanboyism and personal preference,
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I don't think in any modern world you are ever going to see a truly unbiased review from any site on the internet,
sponsors, advertisers, investor's all have an influence on the individuals perspective and at the heart of it - it all comes down to personal preference or fanboyism as it is so easily called now days,
If you are going to bench a CPU that has an out of the box core speed of 4GHz then down clock it to match those that are beneath it's clock speed in theory that would be a closer comparison,
But there are so many other variables in the equation core clock voltage for one instance,
Under Clocking a CPU's voltage will have detrimental consequences and the same goes for Over volting a CPU that in turn will give it stamina and some gains,
Unless AMD and Intel have a CPU that works at the same voltage then you are never ever going to see a like for like core for core clock for clock bench like I said before Fanboyism and personal preference,
I agree with you,FX 8350 reviews really show your point. I can't really find a Piledriver review that isn't biased in some in some way,much less providing some sort of Phenom II CPU as a reference to compare as to how much PD has improved. Is it all worth upgrading from a 1090T from a 8350? It's a tough decision as the 3570K is about the same price. Or I may just stick with my Thuban and slap a newer SSD and a Eisberg 240 in there when it comes out.
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Really not sure what to do with my system right now, the fx 8350 is $329 here in NZ and I cant make up my mind if thats a worthy upgrade or should I just say good bye to amd and go intel. Ive got the money to go ether way I just dont know if piledriver was really worth it to be honest.
Edited by DarkNinja22 - 10/24/12 at 9:07pm
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Based on what I have seen so far of piledriver, I'd stick with a 1090T.
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