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post #1 of 7
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So I just recently started getting random black screens while playing games.
It usually works for sometimes but then out of no where it just randomly turns black. I can hear some sounds, but its just a loop of the back round music, and it doesn't sound like it progresses much, but no new sounds appear , just the back round music

If I underclock the gpu, it appears that it does not happen
I checked the windows event log, and no errors appear besides shutting down unexpectedly

It hasn't really occured before I added my watercooling loop though. I don't know if its a coincidence, or if the fans and pump added just enough to put it over the top
I have noticed though that the power supply emits much warmer air than before I added the loop

I have an Antec 650w earthwatts
It has two 12v rails at 38 amps each

Some more system specs
i5-2400 @3.6 GHz
EVGA 570 HD superclocked edition
Asus Xonar DG
TP-Link Wireless adapter

Laing DDC-1T
1 Gentle Typhoon AP-14
2 Noctua NF-P12
1 Yate Loon D12SL-12
The above fans shouldn't be undervolted

2 NZXT 120mm case fan
1 NZXT 140mm case fan

I'm not sure if there is anything more that I should list, but the rest should be in the Sig Rig

Some one said that it could be something with the two rails, and one rail supporting too many things, or being mis wired or something of that sort
I tried using that PSU calculator, and it says I need about 600 ish watts, so I dont know if I really need a new one or not

But if I am in the market for a new PSU, what is the brand that everyone generally likes?
I heard that corsair makes really solid psus, but they have many different kinds, and I'm not sure which one is good

I had my eye on NZXT's hale 90 psus, mostly because it is white, and modular and has a gold 80+ rating
Speaking of ratings, I don't even know if its worth having a 750-850 watt at gold rating or if a bronze or silver rating will do

Thanks in advance!
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post #2 of 7
Whats the temps of your gpu getting up to when it blacks out?
post #3 of 7
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Well since its water cooled, it stays way below any critical temperatures

I probably should have included that

the last time it crashed, the gpu was at 34C

I was logging it through gpu-z and theres not strange jumps in anything besides dropping straight to 0 when it crashes, and there are no further additions after one line of 0
actually, the gpu and memory controller load is at a "-" the same line as the 0s
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post #4 of 7
Yeah I don't know what PSU calculator you used, but 600 seems way high for your setup. Sometimes I just think everyone wants to have a massive power supply....

I've run a system with significantly higher power draw than your own on my measly Antec Neo Eco 520 watt supply.(I5 2500k at 4.7GHZ, plus GTX 480 overclocked to 895 core) I know that at stock settings those two components both need much more power than your i5 2400+GTX 570, and mine were overclocked to the max.(add almost 50% to the power requirements for a really high overclock)

The problem you are describing sounds like a driver crash. I get those exact same symptoms if I overclock my GTX 480 past 915 core, but they go away if I keep it at 912 or less. If you are having to run your video card at lower than stock speeds(actually fairly common for super clocked models) the easiest solution would be to raise your voltage. Honestly though since it's not working right at stock settings I would RMA it.

Chances are you got a card that just barely was stable at the settings the 570 superclock came at, and after a while it degraded just enough to be unstable at stock voltages. If lowering the clock speed stops the problem from occurring then this would confirm that assumption.
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post #5 of 7
Thread Starter 
I used the one on the sticky in this forum?

Hmm, well I'm not 100% sure about the not crashing underclocked, but it has appeared so.
I'll do some more testing and if it is true, then I guess I know whats wrong!

Thank you for your help!

I don't really know much about over clocking or over volting, but I guess it's time for me to read up on that!

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post #6 of 7
When I punch in your system specs in the calculator from this forum it recommends all 450 and 500 watt supplies.

Typically most cards are not already near their maximum, and overclocking/overvolting can definitely be worth your while. I know my stock core speed is a mere 700 and I'm running it just under 900 with only a small amount of additional voltage, and that's a whopping 28% increase! biggrin.gif I have liquid cooled my card in order to achieve the highest possible overclock, but the 570s are supposed to run cooler stock and therefore need less extreme cooling even when overclocked. Normally you can get a pretty decent overclock even on the stock cooler, but it will frequently make the fan spin faster.(louder) That's another reason I water cooled my card, because even at the stock 700 MHZ core speed the stock fan would get so loud!
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post #7 of 7
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I guess I might've pressed some buttons

How would I raise the voltage of my card?
Msi Afterburner should be able to do that right?

I should really look into overclocking my card, especially after its under water

Thanks for you help by the way!
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