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Hello Everybody

So I spent the last 4 years of my life racking up student debt and currently finishing up my last chuck of final exams. My life has been wasting away on an eeepc netbook that I bought in 2008, so I figured that I would treat myself to a brand spanking new computer.

I have never built one myself, I have been told how simple it all is. But I wish to do my research and tread carefully. My goal is to have one built in June

I've started conducting research and ended up on this website. With Ivy bridge, GTX680, windows 8 and Diablo 3 coming out this seems like a great time to be investing in a desktop.

I am hoping for some advice in regards to my dive into the overclocking community. My rig will be mainly used for gaming, here are several ideas that are in my head right now:
  1. ivy bridge (i5 or i7) (2011 or 1155 socket?) or late sandy bridge?
  2. GTX 680 (worth it? and if so which manufacturer)
  3. water cooling? (price, difficulty, necessity?)
  4. OS SSD, i already have a data drive how big will this need to be?
  5. 16gb of ram (overkill? is 8 enough?)
  6. full size or medium size case?

I am hoping for a intel/nvidia build, looking to drop around $1500. Would that be enough?

Thank you all in advance, looking forward to your idea.

~Cataly5t
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  1. Sandy bridge 2500K or Ivy bridge 3570K should be fine. If your mainly gaming then socket 2011 is overkill.
  2. GTX 680 definately worth it if you can afford it.
  3. Water cooling can end up being very exspensive but you can get good starter kits from XSPC or EK for about £100 to £200. Thats just for CPU cooling though. Prepare to spend even more if you want to cool your GPU as well. The Corsair H80 and H100 seem to be be quite popular and effective. Should be cheaper than the Ek and XSPC kits as well. The only downside is these are closed loops so you wont be able to add to them or change anything in the future.
  4. 128gb would be the better option. Many people purchase the smaller 64bg and later wish they had got a bigger one.
  5. 16gb is overkill really depending on what your going to use it for. If its mainly gaming, browsing, watching movies or typing up documents and so on then 8gb is plenty.
  6. Case depends on how much your willing to spend, what you like and whether you want your water cooling incorporated into the case. There are some excellent full size cases for around £100 but for a little less there are some quility medium case that can get everything in. Look at Corsair, NZXT and Cooler Master. There are others but these are the ones I prefer for the money.

I know I've mentioned prices in pounds but I am unsure what the equivelent in dollars would be. I think $1500 dollars should cover you as long as you keep the cooling basic i.e. Corsair H80 or H100.
Edited by Jokah - 4/20/12 at 5:34pm
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post #3 of 42
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Hey Jokah

Thanks for your input, I am probably not going to water cool it is out of my price range and I will probably start with 4gb * 2 ram and upgrade when it becomes necessary.

The GTX is definitely the most future proof, if i decide to SLI it in the future how much power would i need?

Right now a 2500k is ~240 CAD while 2600K is $100 more. How much do you see the 3570k to be when it comes out?
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When I first built my evolving Sig 18 months ago I paid $135 for 6 gigs of Corsair 1600CL9 RAM. A few weeks ago I grabbed 16 Gigs of faster stuff from Kingston for $100. RAM's so cheap I figured I'd load up. Last year everyone was saying 4 GB's was enough for gamers and then BF3 came out and now a lot of people here recommend 8 (partly because it's so cheap). I built my rig with Photoshop in mind so I've got a lot of RAM.

^ For whatever it's worth.

You'll need to double check this but I'm pretty sure I'm seeing 750W PSU is enough for SLI 680.

$1500 will get you a sweet Rig. BTW, you're in Canada? TO by any chance? If so I might offer to just give you my Antec 902. It's not a perfect case but it's Very solid airflow wise and it'd save you $100 to put towards components until you upgraded the case down the line.
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The 3570K will not be much more. It is essentially the 2500K's replacement so hopefully the 2500k should drop in price soon after Ivy bridge release. Hopefully!

When it comes to the power supply lots of peopl will tell you lots of different things. I see the power supply as the most important thing you can buy because if that goes pop, everything could potentially go pop! Its not an area you want to skimp on. Yes 750w would probaly be fine for 680 SLI but if it were me I would go one up just to be sure. I would be looking at an 850w. I will always buy corsair PSU's. Reliable, excellent performance and RMA service.
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Even 1500$ canadian is more than enough for a totally kick ass gaming rig.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1244788/buying-new-gaming-rig-and-need-your-help-review/10
Check out post #1 in this thread, and then post #15. I think what he has posted on #15 is pretty much right where you want your build to be. I do agree water cooling would be tough on your budget, you would probably have to spend less on the case and/or SSD if you wanted everything water cooled. I think everyone loves the Crucial M4 SSD drive, and the 128GB versions are faster than the 64GB so on your budget that's an easy choice. Also I would spend some time looking at cases, because after you buy it your going to have to look at it for a couple of years....

You're already definitely on the right track, and a lot of it is personal preference.(which is hard to have until you learn enough about the components to decide for yourself) For instance what fans you buy, what type of CPU/GPU cooler you use, which thermal paste, what monitor, what speaker system and many more largely depend on personal preference.

If you need peripherals still consider how much a good monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers setup is going to cost, and if you are trying to include those costs in the build budget. I would say the least you could spend(while doing justice to an expensive gaming PC) is around $300 on peripherals alone. That's assuming you're willing to go with the cheapest decent 1080p monitor, and a fairly cheap surround sound system.(50$ estimate for a good mouse, and honestly I don't have a problem with my $10 keyboard but if you want a fancy looking lite up one it'll be at least $50)

If you do want a good set of peripherals included in that 1500$ budget you will probably have to make a few sacrifices.
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Don't forget a copy of windows as well if thats what you use! I always forget that when pricing up builds. Always!
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I'd skip the SSD and spend that cash on better core components. Get the SSD later as an upgrade.
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I'd skip the SSD and spend that cash on better core components. Get the SSD later as an upgrade.

I wouldn't! Buying an SSD is the best upgrade I've ever bought for a computer. Using computers without one now is like waiting for paint to dry tongue.gif .
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Hello Everybody
So I spent the last 4 years of my life racking up student debt and currently finishing up my last chuck of final exams. My life has been wasting away on an eeepc netbook that I bought in 2008, so I figured that I would treat myself to a brand spanking new computer.
I have never built one myself, I have been told how simple it all is. But I wish to do my research and tread carefully. My goal is to have one built in June
I've started conducting research and ended up on this website. With Ivy bridge, GTX680, windows 8 and Diablo 3 coming out this seems like a great time to be investing in a desktop.
I am hoping for some advice in regards to my dive into the overclocking community. My rig will be mainly used for gaming, here are several ideas that are in my head right now:
  1. ivy bridge (i5 or i7) (2011 or 1155 socket?) or late sandy bridge?
  2. GTX 680 (worth it? and if so which manufacturer)
  3. water cooling? (price, difficulty, necessity?)
  4. OS SSD, i already have a data drive how big will this need to be?
  5. 16gb of ram (overkill? is 8 enough?)
  6. full size or medium size case?
I am hoping for a intel/nvidia build, looking to drop around $1500. Would that be enough?
Thank you all in advance, looking forward to your idea.
~Cataly5t

Ivy Bridge sounds good, but I'm not sure if I want to be in the 1st batch of people to get one. I like to give things some time to be tried and tested by the general public and see if it's worth it.

I think what you listed will end up costing more than $1500.

I just built my little sister a new machine, and she is pretty much in your same situation. She graduates from the art institue this spring and needed a new machine so badly. I offered to build her one several months ago, but here husband though it would be a waste of money until about 3 weeks ago when she was unable to complete an art project on her home computer that cost her a summer internship at Disney. Yea. Disney. I'm pretty pissed at my Bro in law right now, because when he called to tell me he thought it would be a good idea to "build that computer you were talking about" his budget was WAY more than enough. The build total ended up being $1694.88 with about $75 back in mail in rebates.

The first thing I'm going to say is don't rush! Take your time and look for good deals. This will save you several hundred dollars easily. Second, it is super easy to build a computer. Like lego's for big boys only cooler. I have built 4 machines now, and as long as you get a good case, from unboxing I can have the computer running and installing window's in about an hour. And that's probably slow compaired to others on this site. biggrin.gif

If this is just for personal pleasure/gaming, several of your choices are overkill. If this is your first build, I would probably not worry too much about overclocking right now. I designed this last machine to have pretty killer performance as it is, but to also be highly overclockable later.

If you get an 1155 board, I think you will be blown away by the performance of an Intel Core i7-2600K. ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070 )This is what I got and messing around with it I've OCd it to 4.8 and it ran like a dream. Thanks to the members on this forum I saved $125 on a motherboard by buying an ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271 ) but you won't be able to use an Ivy Bridge card on that MoBo. The Z77 boards are for IB. Also, SB cpu prices will probably drop as soon as IB come out on Monday I believe.

I might go for a this MoBo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293
and the 2600k if the prices drop enough. The IB 3770K is had a projected MSRP of $313, so no one is going to pay $309 for a 2600K.

As far as a video card the 680 is an amazing card, but it's super expensive, and pretty much sold out everywhere. I personally will wait for it and grab one when the prices and hype die down. I know Skyrim can be run flawlessly, all settings maxxed with HD texture mods on like a gtx560 TI 2g. If you aren't doing crazy HD mods you don't need 2g of memory on a video card though. I don't expect that diablo is going to be that tough on video cards so a 680 unnecessary.

8g of ram will be more than enough for everyday use/gaming.

If you want to watercool, an all in one CPU cooler is a easy way to go. The Corsair H series or the Antec Kuhler H20 are easy and work great. I have the Kuhler 920 and it dropped the temps by 30 C. Everything else will be air cooled. If this is your first build, and you are on a budget I would not mess with a full water cooled system. One leak and everything could be destroyed. The all in one coolers are pre-filled and sealed so they never need refilling and should never leak.

I would go for a full case, but it's personal preference. I just got a Thermaltake Chaser MK-I ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133191 ) and the build was a dream. ton's of room ( And an all in one WaterCooler fits easily. If you decide to go with an all in one water system just pm me, I did a ton of research to figure out which cases will work ), the Drive trays make installation quick and simple. I had an Azza Solarno 1000R, it doesn't fit the Watercoolers very easily, and to get the drive bays out to install the HD's you have to practically disassemble the entire case.

SSD are amazing. Just depends what you want to put on it. I think 120g min though. Can't wait til SSD prices drop... : /

I personally love and have had 0 issues with EVGA video cards, so that's all I ever buy. Many of them have life-time warranties too. But it's pretty much personal preference.

Well, that's my 2 cent's. Let me know if you have any more questions!
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