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When I first built my evolving Sig 18 months ago I paid $135 for 6 gigs of Corsair 1600CL9 RAM. A few weeks ago I grabbed 16 Gigs of faster stuff from Kingston for $100. RAM's so cheap I figured I'd load up. Last year everyone was saying 4 GB's was enough for gamers and then BF3 came out and now a lot of people here recommend 8 (partly because it's so cheap). I built my rig with Photoshop in mind so I've got a lot of RAM.
^ For whatever it's worth.
You'll need to double check this but I'm pretty sure I'm seeing 750W PSU is enough for SLI 680.
$1500 will get you a sweet Rig. BTW, you're in Canada? TO by any chance? If so I might offer to just give you my Antec 902. It's not a perfect case but it's Very solid airflow wise and it'd save you $100 to put towards components until you upgraded the case down the line.

I knew I picked the right forum to join =), yes I am in TO but that is way to much to ask for. I really appreciate the offer though.
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The 3570K will not be much more. It is essentially the 2500K's replacement so hopefully the 2500k should drop in price soon after Ivy bridge release. Hopefully!
When it comes to the power supply lots of peopl will tell you lots of different things. I see the power supply as the most important thing you can buy because if that goes pop, everything could potentially go pop! Its not an area you want to skimp on. Yes 750w would probaly be fine for 680 SLI but if it were me I would go one up just to be sure. I would be looking at an 850w. I will always buy corsair PSU's. Reliable, excellent performance and RMA service.

I havent done much research yet for the price differences between 750w and 850w if it isnt much I would probably go for the 850w
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Even 1500$ canadian is more than enough for a totally kick ass gaming rig.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1244788/buying-new-gaming-rig-and-need-your-help-review/10
Check out post #1 in this thread, and then post #15. I think what he has posted on #15 is pretty much right where you want your build to be. I do agree water cooling would be tough on your budget, you would probably have to spend less on the case and/or SSD if you wanted everything water cooled. I think everyone loves the Crucial M4 SSD drive, and the 128GB versions are faster than the 64GB so on your budget that's an easy choice. Also I would spend some time looking at cases, because after you buy it your going to have to look at it for a couple of years....
You're already definitely on the right track, and a lot of it is personal preference.(which is hard to have until you learn enough about the components to decide for yourself) For instance what fans you buy, what type of CPU/GPU cooler you use, which thermal paste, what monitor, what speaker system and many more largely depend on personal preference.
If you need peripherals still consider how much a good monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers setup is going to cost, and if you are trying to include those costs in the build budget. I would say the least you could spend(while doing justice to an expensive gaming PC) is around $300 on peripherals alone. That's assuming you're willing to go with the cheapest decent 1080p monitor, and a fairly cheap surround sound system.(50$ estimate for a good mouse, and honestly I don't have a problem with my $10 keyboard but if you want a fancy looking lite up one it'll be at least $50)
If you do want a good set of peripherals included in that 1500$ budget you will probably have to make a few sacrifices.

Peripherals wise I already have a monitor so im planning to spend ~250 on mouse, keyboard and headphones
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Don't forget a copy of windows as well if thats what you use! I always forget that when pricing up builds. Always!

I have windows 7 and 8 through my schools MSDN subscription (lucky me =) )
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I'd skip the SSD and spend that cash on better core components. Get the SSD later as an upgrade.

Well i already have a 1.5tb HDD but its a "green" drive so it will be brutal for OSes might as well get a dedicated OS SSD



One thing that scares me though is the motherboard, my worse nightmare would be that my components will not be compatible, many people recommended the p67 (asus) i think, is it any good and worth the ~$300
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to answer your question about the motherboard, it really boils down to how much you want to spend, what features you want and for some, the color scheme. i have the msi p67-gd65 board and i love it! for the price it overclocks pretty well and has most of the features i want. i have heard that the asus and gigabyte boards tend to OC a little better. you might want to look into z68 boards as well. good luck on the build and don't forget to post a build thread! thumb.gif
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Kinda makes me sad to think of spending 300$ on a motherboard. I think even if you spent half that amount or less you could end up with a perfectly good motherboard. You have no compatibility issues to worry about assuming you are careful and double/triple check before buying the parts.

My motherboard was $77 and it's plenty compatible with my components.....
I even tried it with an i5 2500k, and with everything set to auto besides the voltage(which I set to 1.3V) I was able to overclock the i5 2500k up to 4.7 GHZ perfectly stable, and it's not hurting my system performance in any way. Of course there are probably some features I don't have, but I don't even know what I'm missing.....(seems to support my surround sound just fine) It even has solid state capacitors and a pretty good warranty. You honestly do not need to spend 300$ on a motherboard, even if you plan to go SLI in the future.
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I knew I picked the right forum to join =), yes I am in TO but that is way to much to ask for.

Dude, I have no idea what to do with this thing. I have no interest in taking it back to Ohio (across the border) and it's not like I'm going to get anything for it on Craig's. Take the case and put the cash towards better core components. You're not stuck with it, you can upgrade when you get more cash down the line. If you're building your first rig on a budget then I'd be looking for ways to maximize the quality of the components that AREN'T easily upgradable.

Of Course if you don't like the idea then no worries at all, of course.
Edited by BillOhio - 4/20/12 at 7:05pm
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Yeah I'd jump all over that offer if I were you. He's probably not going to rape you when you meet him in person.(despite what the avatar might make you think)

There's no better way to learn what kind of case you want to get than to own and work with a case in general. Once you put it together and work on it for a couple of weeks or more you will have developed an opinion of the case, and if you're lucky you'll like it so much you wont even want to spend the money necessary to get a new one.
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Dude, I have no idea what to do with this thing. I have no interest in taking it back to Ohio (across the border) and it's not like I'm going to get anything for it on Craig's. Take the case and put the cash towards better core components. You're not stuck with it, you can upgrade when you get more cash down the line. If you're building your first rig on a budget then I'd be looking for ways to maximize the quality of the components that AREN'T easily upgradable.
Of Course if you don't like the idea then no worries at all, of course.

Now that Subcutaneous put the whole rape thing on my mind... If you are serious about the Antec, I would love to adopt your case (I wont even tell him he was adopted). I'll PM you for details.
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Also check out this sale in the OCN Marketplace, over $2200 to build only a couple of months old and selling it for only $1500

http://www.overclock.net/t/1243877/fs-3930k-tj08-gtx570-2xssd-matx-gaming-rig#post_17029407
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Ivy Bridge sounds good, but I'm not sure if I want to be in the 1st batch of people to get one. I like to give things some time to be tried and tested by the general public and see if it's worth it.
I think what you listed will end up costing more than $1500.
I just built my little sister a new machine, and she is pretty much in your same situation. She graduates from the art institue this spring and needed a new machine so badly. I offered to build her one several months ago, but here husband though it would be a waste of money until about 3 weeks ago when she was unable to complete an art project on her home computer that cost her a summer internship at Disney. Yea. Disney. I'm pretty pissed at my Bro in law right now, because when he called to tell me he thought it would be a good idea to "build that computer you were talking about" his budget was WAY more than enough. The build total ended up being $1694.88 with about $75 back in mail in rebates.
The first thing I'm going to say is don't rush! Take your time and look for good deals. This will save you several hundred dollars easily. Second, it is super easy to build a computer. Like lego's for big boys only cooler. I have built 4 machines now, and as long as you get a good case, from unboxing I can have the computer running and installing window's in about an hour. And that's probably slow compaired to others on this site. biggrin.gif
If this is just for personal pleasure/gaming, several of your choices are overkill. If this is your first build, I would probably not worry too much about overclocking right now. I designed this last machine to have pretty killer performance as it is, but to also be highly overclockable later.
If you get an 1155 board, I think you will be blown away by the performance of an Intel Core i7-2600K. ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070 )This is what I got and messing around with it I've OCd it to 4.8 and it ran like a dream. Thanks to the members on this forum I saved $125 on a motherboard by buying an ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271 ) but you won't be able to use an Ivy Bridge card on that MoBo. The Z77 boards are for IB. Also, SB cpu prices will probably drop as soon as IB come out on Monday I believe.
I might go for a this MoBo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293
and the 2600k if the prices drop enough. The IB 3770K is had a projected MSRP of $313, so no one is going to pay $309 for a 2600K.
As far as a video card the 680 is an amazing card, but it's super expensive, and pretty much sold out everywhere. I personally will wait for it and grab one when the prices and hype die down. I know Skyrim can be run flawlessly, all settings maxxed with HD texture mods on like a gtx560 TI 2g. If you aren't doing crazy HD mods you don't need 2g of memory on a video card though. I don't expect that diablo is going to be that tough on video cards so a 680 unnecessary.
8g of ram will be more than enough for everyday use/gaming.
If you want to watercool, an all in one CPU cooler is a easy way to go. The Corsair H series or the Antec Kuhler H20 are easy and work great. I have the Kuhler 920 and it dropped the temps by 30 C. Everything else will be air cooled. If this is your first build, and you are on a budget I would not mess with a full water cooled system. One leak and everything could be destroyed. The all in one coolers are pre-filled and sealed so they never need refilling and should never leak.
I would go for a full case, but it's personal preference. I just got a Thermaltake Chaser MK-I ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133191 ) and the build was a dream. ton's of room ( And an all in one WaterCooler fits easily. If you decide to go with an all in one water system just pm me, I did a ton of research to figure out which cases will work ), the Drive trays make installation quick and simple. I had an Azza Solarno 1000R, it doesn't fit the Watercoolers very easily, and to get the drive bays out to install the HD's you have to practically disassemble the entire case.
SSD are amazing. Just depends what you want to put on it. I think 120g min though. Can't wait til SSD prices drop... : /
I personally love and have had 0 issues with EVGA video cards, so that's all I ever buy. Many of them have life-time warranties too. But it's pretty much personal preference.
Well, that's my 2 cent's. Let me know if you have any more questions!

Thank you so much for the time you spent into writing a response to my question. When you spent ~$1600 on parts was it including a monitor? \

Also, I need a little more time to digest this info if I have more questions (which i will for sure) I'll get back to you. Thanks again!
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Also check out this sale in the OCN Marketplace, over $2200 to build only a couple of months old and selling it for only $1500
http://www.overclock.net/t/1243877/fs-3930k-tj08-gtx570-2xssd-matx-gaming-rig#post_17029407

Thank you for the offer, it looks like an amazing deal. But for me the whole building it is part of the experience. If anyone else is looking for a computer this is an amazing deal definitely check it out!
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If you want this to be a kick ass rig (and i know you do) you will do whatever it takes to get that GTX 680 in there.....

Also I agree on the pre-assembled water cooling units. They are all assembled already, cheaper than you could buy the parts to make it(by a lot) and if they do leak and ruin your stuff they have a warranty(3 years I think) that will cover all of the damage. I'm using one now to cool my video card, which in my setup needs the cooling much more than the processor.

I definitely think you could make this build, even with a GTX 680 and all the peripherals you need, well within your listed budget. It might take some shopping, and some ignoring posts from people who just can't stand to see you take home anything less than a ________. (whatever it is they think you just have to have, that happens to be really expensive)

If you went with the i5 2500k you would not be needing to upgrade it even if you bought a second GTX 680 later for SLI, but you would probably want to have it overclocked at that point. Probably don't need a motherboard that can detect aliens in space, so if you wanted to save some money you could go as cheap as this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130583R without sacrificing anything.(please forum people help me out if this motherboard is missing some "must have" feature) It even has support for a second GTX 680 in the future if you wanted to add one. Granted it's not going to support Ivy Bridge, but that processor is all hype anyway.(in my opinon) You are looking at like 5% more speed, assuming the chip doesn't run so hot that it fails to overclock anywhere close to the typical i5 2500k.(IB is well known to run hot, in some reviews very hot)
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