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post #31 of 42
I'd rather have a Corsair PSU than Rosewill.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

For another $15 I'd rather have a Silver Arrow than a V8 for cooling.

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX31202
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What do I need to look for in a PSU other then wattage, modularity, and 80 plus rating?

I'm a huge car guy, so the v8 really caught my eye. What's important in regards to cpu fans?
post #33 of 42
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Also I've had bad experiences with AMD graphics, ive heard they are much better now but it left a really bad taste in my mouth last time.
http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/7bOh $1561 no case.

DITTO

I will never buy AMD again.
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post #34 of 42
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What do I need to look for in a PSU other then wattage, modularity, and 80 plus rating?
I'm a huge car guy, so the v8 really caught my eye. What's important in regards to cpu fans?

Amps on the 12v rail.
post #35 of 42
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Amps on the 12v rail.

...and ripple suppression, which I don't know anything about. Also, Corsair is one of the most recommended brands for most (if not all) of the product types they make which is a good comment on customer service among other things. Rosewill seems like an improving brand but personally I'd want the security of the Corsair for my first build.

On the V8, that's actually the same cooler I picked out when I did my first parts list a while ago. Someone who I trusted mentioned not being a fan of that cooler though and pointed me to a good deal on something by Thermaright.
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post #36 of 42
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I put in the 2600 because I expect a drop in price after IB comes out, I wasnt planning to build this till June as i will be busy till then. But if the new IB 2500k replacement is around the current 2500k price I might get that but i'll need a z77 board.

Also I've had bad experiences with AMD graphics, ive heard they are much better now but it left a really bad taste in my mouth last time. 16gb of ram is only slightly more, i dont mind investing into it with that said, I changed it to 4x4gb instead of 2x8gb.

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/7bOh $1561 no case.

this would be a much better and a reliable setup for the price
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CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon Canada)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($84.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($229.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Hard Drive: Mushkin Chronos 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($509.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Silverstone 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($135.98 @ NCIX)

Total: $1479.91 Shipped


what do you guys say ??
post #37 of 42
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CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.69 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS10X Performa CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Hard Drive: Mushkin Chronos 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($459.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($459.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $1621.61 Shipped and After MIR $1581.61

I think this was the best build you have posted so far. It will have more than enough CPU performance to make those dual 7970 kick some serious ass if he bumps it up to a modest 4.5GHZ. The cooler is cheap but should perform fine on that i5 2500k and run plenty cool if he keeps it under 5 GHZ.

Ivy bridge is out and everyone can calm down because the reviews are in. It's not a big difference, especially once you consider overclocking and cooling the i5 2500k is just as worth while as it ever was. Unless you are doing tons of video encoding or something there is absolutely no need for the i7, as the i5 2500k is more than enough to fully utilize every other piece of hardware.(even considering dual 7970/680s)

The biggest "bottleneck"(some part so slow your faster parts end up waiting on it all the time) in these current builds is the hard drive read speed, which could easily be doubled with another SSD(RAID 0), and in some cases just one twice as large will be almost twice as fast.

You don't need 16 GB of RAM either, and I mean not for anything unless you are a serious power user. I could not use 8GB of RAM up unless I was just trying to make it happen. Of course I could open up 4 different games and alt-tab between them, but I would never do that while actually using the system. So in that aspect this build is just right.

The above list includes the price of a case, has enough RAM, ungodly graphics capability, SSD, overclocking ready(aftermarket cooler), more than enough power, I mean you could not possible go wrong with this. If you put this rig together, installed all the latest drivers, and then loaded up *insert game name* you would cream your pants. Dual 7970/7950/680 is about the most bad ass setup there is, unless you're crazy rich. Overclock the i5 and the rig will sing, then overclock the 7970s and it will melt your face!
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post #38 of 42
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CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.69 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS10X Performa CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Hard Drive: Mushkin Chronos 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($459.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (CrossFire) ($459.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $1621.61 Shipped and After MIR $1581.61

I think this was the best build you have posted so far. It will have more than enough CPU performance to make those dual 7970 kick some serious ass if he bumps it up to a modest 4.5GHZ. The cooler is cheap but should perform fine on that i5 2500k and run plenty cool if he keeps it under 5 GHZ.

Thanx buddy smile.gif i think the 7970 are the best for ~450$ for a minor performance boost which OP you wont even notice you will end up spending a 100$ more which is quit abit i would say and about the ivy bridge i would not go with the 3570K after reading some review it say they top off at 4.5 or 4.7Ghz which far worst then the 2500k which top off at 5 or even 5.2 if you have a good mobo and cooling anyways if you want a GTX 680 in your budget you got to cut down somethings like

Part list permalink

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Memory Express)

CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS10X Performa CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Memory Express)

Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Canada Computers)

Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Hard Drive: Mushkin Chronos 60GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($78.43 @ DirectCanada)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($509.99 @ NCIX)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($509.99 @ NCIX)

Case: Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX)

Power Supply: OCZ 750W ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX)

Total (before mail-in rebates): $1645.35
Mail-in Rebates: $-40.00
Total: $1605.35
i think it perfectly fits you bill
  1. it has a fast SSD which can store the OS and some software and a few games (trust me i use a 50GB partition for my HDD and i have my things working easily but it depends from person to person redface.gif )
  2. a CPU that can handle everything you throw at it
  3. Ram is more then enough for gaming for next atleast 2 to 3 years minimum the current games dont take more then 6GB or 6.5GB RAM
  4. I would not say a thing about GPU as you can see 2xGTX 680 biggrin.gif
  5. Case is rather very good for its price with a fan controller with it
  6. Power supply i think is enough for a 4.6Ghz over and the GTX 680 SLi working at stock which according to PSU calculator pull around 700watts on electricity but trust me your whole system is never under 100% load went you game i bet on it for sure

Edited by Tarun - 4/24/12 at 1:10pm
post #39 of 42
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So this is my prospective build after taking in as much advice as I can.

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/7llc ($1365.91 CDN)

Dropped the unnecessary 2600k to a 2500k, since ivy bridge isn't really worth the upgrade according to the reviews I'm going to stick with Sandy bridge as well as a z68 asus mobo. I picked the pro version of the board, is there any reason I should move up(deluxe) or down (v) a slot in terms of Asus p8z68 boards?

I picked an asus mobo as this is my first build, and I've read that it is the most stable one and best customer service.

For the ssd i went with an 128gb m4 as my boot drive, there are many positive reviews for it.

GTX 680, I love Tarun's idea of SLI 680s but I can wait for that as I'm only running one 1280x1080 monitor, I can always upgrade later. In terms of video card which brand is the best? EVGA, Asus? I was reading things about reference and non-reference cards whats the difference? Also, if i go with the evga card they have factory overclocked cards is that necessary or can I just OC it myself?

I noticed that the corsair PSU has a large premium over other brands with similar specs, is there a reason why everyone says it's so good and is it worth the price premium?

Thats about it at the moment. If everything goes well I will be buying parts in may and building this rig in June.

If anyone is from toronto area, have you dealt with NCIX's price match policy? and can i price match memory express's 2500k price there?)

Thanks for everyone's help!
post #40 of 42
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So this is my prospective build after taking in as much advice as I can.

http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/7llc ($1365.91 CDN)

Dropped the unnecessary 2600k to a 2500k, since ivy bridge isn't really worth the upgrade according to the reviews I'm going to stick with Sandy bridge as well as a z68 asus mobo. I picked the pro version of the board, is there any reason I should move up(deluxe) or down (v) a slot in terms of Asus p8z68 boards?

I picked an asus mobo as this is my first build, and I've read that it is the most stable one and best customer service.

For the ssd i went with an 128gb m4 as my boot drive, there are many positive reviews for it.

GTX 680, I love Tarun's idea of SLI 680s but I can wait for that as I'm only running one 1280x1080 monitor, I can always upgrade later. In terms of video card which brand is the best? EVGA, Asus? I was reading things about reference and non-reference cards whats the difference? Also, if i go with the evga card they have factory overclocked cards is that necessary or can I just OC it myself?

I noticed that the corsair PSU has a large premium over other brands with similar specs, is there a reason why everyone says it's so good and is it worth the price premium?

Thats about it at the moment. If everything goes well I will be buying parts in may and building this rig in June.

If anyone is from toronto area, have you dealt with NCIX's price match policy? and can i price match memory express's 2500k price there?)

Thanks for everyone's help!

that build look pretty good but i have my last changes to make i wont say any thing after that buddy
Part list permalink

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Memory Express)

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($229.69 @ DirectCanada)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Hard Drive: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($148.99 @ Amazon Canada)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($509.99 @ NCIX)

Power Supply: XFX 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX)

Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($56.99 @ Vuugo)
Total (before mail-in rebates): $1399.62
Mail-in Rebates: $-25.00
Total: $1374.62

if you want to go a little lower then what ever you have in mind then change the motherboard to Asus Maximus GeneZ/Gen3 it would look some what like Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Part list permalink

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Memory Express)

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Motherboard: Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z/GEN3 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($178.55 @ DirectCanada)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Hard Drive: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($148.99 @ Amazon Canada)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($509.99 @ NCIX)

Power Supply: XFX 850W ATX12V / EPS12V
Power Supply
($84.99 @ NCIX)

Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($56.99 @ Vuugo)
Total (before mail-in rebates): $1348.48
Mail-in Rebates: $-25.00
Total: $1323.48

now coming to individual parts
  1. motherboard
    the one you have listed is a good motherboard but not for the price i would rather say a GeneZ/Gen3 is a lot better motherboard in my suggestion and the Asus Sabertooth is the Ultimate over these
  2. Memory
    i noted that you had a 8GB CL8 RAM i would say its good but not worth the price rather then that go with the 1.25v @ 1600Mhz which would easily go pasted 1866Mhz to 2000Mhz @ 1.5v and with CL9 or CL10 which is worth the price. its sad you dont get the Samsung RAMs there in Canada
  3. Power Supply
    the XFX PSU i have suggested is a Seasonic Build PSU and is a very good build i can say better then the Corsair build for its price thumb.gif
  4. Cooling
    i have suggested you a D14 which is the Ultimate i would say for cooling and can get the CPU to 5Ghz with ease but if you want to go low on it the go with the ZalmanCNPS10X Performa @19.99$ which is a lot better then 212 EVO buddy

choose wisely buddy thats all i would say

Hope that helped thumb.gif
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