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Man I would too. I ordered my Carbide 500 on Thursday- after a lot of researching. But I saw that Antec 300 revision with the motherboard tray fan and I was like drool.gif Total fan junky, but lawd- these Slipstreams get LOUD in my cheapo Rosewill case at the moment haha

I gotta tell you... that 240mm fan blowing fresh air into your GPU really makes you sleep good at night! The fan is so large even at lower speeds it makes a difference IMO. You figure in that H80 exhausting the heat out the back and you have pretty freakin sweet airflow without sounding like a jet engine.It's much better than re-circulating hot air through your components. Probably not the best cooling solution, but definitely the most effective for the money.

Ignore the ranting.. I love my Carbide 500r lol...
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Hey I aint gonna laugh at a brother having to buy what he can afford. Im just now being able to afford more and better toys now that Ive got 2 jobs. Thats the only good thing about working 2 jobs. But yeah, I was right there with ya with my $50 Athlon X2 7750 processor and ONBOARD graphics trying to play games on my 10 year old 1024x768 CRT monitor. I did spring a little extra for this case though cause I wanted a system I could keep building onto and Im glad I did cause this is the same case, DVD drive and 1 of the hard drives from my original build. Everything else was upgraded as money allowed over the last several years.

Man.. do I remember those days. Even recently my GPU went down and I didn't have money to spend on a new one (priorities/responsibilities etc.) I found myself playing Torchlight because that's the only game that would run on onboard video.
    
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I gotta tell you... that 240mm fan blowing fresh air into your GPU really makes you sleep good at night! The fan is so large even at lower speeds it makes a difference IMO. You figure in that H80 exhausting the heat out the back and you have pretty freakin sweet airflow without sounding like a jet engine.It's much better than re-circulating hot air through your components. Probably not the best cooling solution, but definitely the most effective for the money.
Ignore the ranting.. I love my Carbide 500r lol...

Mine should be here Monday according to the 'Egg. Since you do own one at present, have you noticed any vibration problems with the drive rack system? That was the only thing that put me off it a little bit, but the reviews on Guru 3D made it seem like an incredible amount of quality for the price.

EDIT: if you click on my gallery link, youll see exactly what I mean by vibration issues. Yes, 36MB/second average speed on a WD Black. LOL
(benches were inside case vs. outside case)
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I wouldnt worry about that. I try to buy as much Corsair product as I can cause everything they make seems to be top notch. I would almost guarantee you that youll have zero vibration problem. I mean if my trusty humble Antec 300 is vibration free I gotta think that for sure that awesome Carbide will be easily.
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I do love Corsair products too, only ever had one thing bad from them and that was a power supply a long time ago that made this horrible high pitched whine. Bad cap somewhere, they replaced it without question biggrin.gif
    
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Mine should be here Monday according to the 'Egg. Since you do own one at present, have you noticed any vibration problems with the drive rack system? That was the only thing that put me off it a little bit, but the reviews on Guru 3D made it seem like an incredible amount of quality for the price.
EDIT: if you click on my gallery link, youll see exactly what I mean by vibration issues. Yes, 36MB/second average speed on a WD Black. LOL
(benches were inside case vs. outside case)

I've been using this case now for about 5 months and I haven't had any such issues. The only HD problem I encountered was Windows 7's ridiculous obsession with running services - freaking drive would never stop spinning lol... Thank God that stopped.
    
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Sweet, that gives me confidence. Yeah this Rosewill case has these rather loose fitting plastic clip on rails for hard drives, between the fans and the WD Blacks, it just resonates WAY too much.
    
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I actually think those temps might not be too far off. Not all Thubans have the craptastic core sensor. The BIOS and Asus probe are showing you the socket temps which are the temps at the CPU socket but not the temps of the CPU itself. These will always be higher than the core temps unless something is really wrong with your CPU. So if your BIOS, HWMonitor and Asus probe are all showing the socket temp at 64 at max load and 50 on core temps, that might be about right.
Mine show 60-61 on the socket and 50-54 on the core under Prime95 and I have a similar overclock to yours. You have a much better cooler so that would explain the 4 degree cooler reading youre getting on the core.
If youre not going to overclock the NB, try turning that voltage down. Cutting that made a HUGE difference in my temps.

So if that were the case in my situation, would it be safe to push it a little higher? Ideally I would like to push 4.2 if possible.

I do plan on doing NB as well, so I guess that's not much of an option. Just wondering though, does it affect the socket temp or the core temp? I'm going to guess socket because that sensor is closer to the northbridge? Also will I likely see a significant increase in temps with the northbridge oced? I would test it for myself right now but I'm not home.
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If you're already near the thermal threshold of stability, I wouldn't push any higher unless you can cool it effectively with the tips in this thread. Thuban really hates anything over 55C as far as stability is concerned, though it won't damage the chip at 55-60C- it will likely impact it's stability and required voltage. High voltage and temperature (within reason) won't instantly damage the CPU, but it will make it degrade much faster.

AMD recommends a maximum running temperature of 62.5C for the 1090T, that is the point at which stability severely plummets.

Overclocking the northbridge will of course contribute to the total TDP that you will have to cool, but not nearly as much as overclocking the six cores will. On that note: Most people will agree with me here as far as Thuban is concerned. Overclocking the NB up to 2600Mhz+ or better is hugely recommended. In most cases, it grants more performance than the extra 200Mhz you might get on the CPU if you leave it at stock. Try bumping it's voltage up to 1.200v (default is 1.150v) and it's clock to ~2600 (3000 is usually the sweet spot on Thuban but takes more fine tuning) and test its contribution to your heat.

But personally, I'd say you're better off at 4.0Ghz CPU/2.6Ghz NB than you are with a 4.2Ghz core speed and stock NB.

It's just a lot of playing around really, there's no definitive answers that one can give- every chip is a little different, so experiment a bit. Keep us updated biggrin.gif

EDIT: Forgot to mention, in some cases- playing with a slightly bumped up CPUNB voltage will allow you to run a CPU clock at a lower vCore. It's a lot more TDP efficient to have 1.4vCore/1.25vNB than it is to say for example 1.5vCore/1.15vNB. Though again, every chip is different: YMMV.

Tiny other edit: Overclocking the NB will affect both core and socket temperatures, the "NB" is actually the thuban memory controller, and is on the same silicon die as the cores.
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Here's the answer as in what/how to monitor Thuban temps with http://www.overclock.net/t/1128821/amd-temp-information-and-guide.
Also a mobo fan mounted behind the tray should lower temps 2-4c. Mine does even running at just 1000 rpm (very quiet) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185137
 
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Couldn't put a fan behind the tray on my HAFX unless I were to cut a hole..

I was reading some more and playing with my OC today. Here is where I am at (stable for 30 minutes in prime95).

4GHz using 20x200 @1.1425V which reads 1.3 idle -1.452 full load in hwmonitor and cpu-z
both cpu/nb and ht link are now set at 2600, as suggested by dolk's guide to the phenom ii.
cpu/nb voltage is 1.25v and ht voltage is 1.20. i wasn't sure if i should up the ht voltage or not but i gave it a slight bump to be safe.
also i dropped my memory down to 1333. it's rated for 1600 but it defaults to 1333 so i thought i would put it back to make sure that isn't causing any problems.
with this configuration temps reached 48°C on the cores, and 61°C socket (it actually hit 62°C for a few seconds, I was keeping a close eye on it)

One thing I am wondering about now is multiplier vs bus speed. In dolk's guide (linked above), he says use stock bus and just up the multiplier with Black Edition thubans, which is how I am running right now. Before I read his guide I was going by another guide, which actually suggests the opposite (focus more on bus speed and leave the multiplier). Any ideas? I haven't done any benching yet, but I think I will probably do a comparison between the two scenarios tomorrow.

The other thing I am wondering about now is NB temps, since I have upped the voltage on cpu/nb. I am not really sure what I am supposed to use for NB temps. In HWMonitor the only two temps it shows are "CPU", and "Mainboard". Mainboard stays around 27 for the most part and never over 30. Speedfan gives me three temps. Temp1 I know is cpu temp, Temp2 i believe is reading the same value as the mainboard temp in hwmonitor, and there is a third temp -128°C, don't know what that is. Aida64/Everest gives me a "Motherboard" temp that also matches the other two at 27 -30. Does anyone know how I can monitor the NB temps, does my M4a89gtd even have a nb sensor?

They only thing I am thinking of changing now is to test stability at 20.5x200 = 4.1GHz, and I would like to push the CPU/NB further too (if i can figure out how to monitor temps).
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