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In reference to question 1, you may have some trouble trying to get a medium to high OC using inbuilt graphics.
If you use a dedicated GPU and disable you inbuilt graphics it should make it easier.
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Because over clocking will increase the speed at which the graphics chip, I believe the North Bridge chip, operates at.
This would be the limiting factor for it.
Just to be sure we're on the same page here, we are talking about overclocking the CPU, not the graphics!
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If you OC the FSB you will be overclocking the NB chip which will be OC'n the graphics.

But

If you use just the Multiplier or a dedicated graphics card it will be of no importance.

I have also read/seen some people experience trouble even when in built graphics are disabled or not in use. biggrin.gif
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I have also read/seen some people experience trouble even when in built graphics are disabled or not in use. biggrin.gif
Then why did you say "In reference to question 1, you may have some trouble trying to get a medium to high OC using inbuilt graphics. If you use a dedicated GPU and disable you inbuilt graphics it should make it easier"?
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post #14 of 63
hard to go wrong with arctic silver 5 for cpu thermal compound. ive read alot that arctic mx4 is good for vrm cooling.
     
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Because using a dedicated graphics card, should allow you to OC easier then using the built in graphics.

But you may also still experience some trouble.

You should be able to OC with in-built graphics, but you would be greatly limited.

My experience in what others have posted is that a board with in built graphics is harder to OC on then one without, with or without using the built in graphics.
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ive read alot that arctic mx4 is good for vrm cooling.
i'm not sure if that woudl apply to my vrms. Do my vrms use thermal pads or a paste?
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Because using a dedicated graphics card, should allow you to OC easier then using the built in graphics.
But you may also still experience some trouble.
You should be able to OC with in-built graphics, but you would be greatly limited.
My experience in what others have posted is that a board with in built graphics is harder to OC on then one without, with or without using the built in graphics.

TBH, I got this new system for light to moderate overclocking, so I do expect to find trouble whereever the overclock is relatively high that i could get with a better hardware setup. Granted, 4 gigs on 6 cores is prolly asking too muhc. that being said, i'm not gonna hope for anything at all but i am going to try....
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TBH, I got this new system for light to moderate overclocking, so I do expect to find trouble whereever the overclock is relatively high that i could get with a better hardware setup. Granted, 4 gigs on 6 cores is prolly asking too muhc. that being said, i'm not gonna hope for anything at all but i am going to try....

That is the Golden Reason what OC'n is all about.

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its the need to have faster and better. basically whos epeen is bigger then the others!
     
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These are the remaining questions from the original post (click here to go there.)

Question 3 - When finding limits and during final overclocking, can I keep the fans quiet or should I put them on med/high setting?
Normally I have them running lowest RPM because I like having a quiet PC. I only maximise them during hot weather. Though, I wouldn't mind having it high constantly since I listen to my cans anyway.

Questions 4 & 5 - What temp type should I be monitoring and what are maximum safe CPU and core Load temperatures?
According to HWMonitor's reading on 4 cores, there is a 12-15°C difference between core and CPU.

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Question 6 - How do I find the NB temp?
HWMonitor and Everest show only CPU and mainboard temps. Maybe the NB have no temp sensors?

Question 7 - What are safe voltage limits?
  1. CPU Voltage = 1.?V (1.4? 1.475? 1.55?)
  2. CPU-NB Voltage = 1.35V
  3. HTT Voltage = 1.? V
  4. SB Voltage = 1.?? V
  5. NB Voltage = 1.2 V ???
  6. CPU VDD = 2.? V

Question 8 - Are these correct stock voltages for 960T?
They are set to Offset mode with Auto values (as shown in my BIOS):
  1. CPU Voltage = 1.225 V
  2. CPU-NB Voltage = 1.125 V
  3. HTT Voltage = 1.200 V
  4. SB Voltage = 1.100 V
  5. NB Voltage = 1.250 V (.05 V higher than the safe voltage limit!?)
  6. CPU VDD = 2.5 V
  7. DRAM Voltage = 1.490 V
  8. Sideport Memory Voltage = 1.500 V (what is this?)

Question 9 - Which of the following settings do I disable?
  1. AMD Turbo Core Technology
  2. GPU Booster
    1. Enhanced iGPU SpeedStep
    2. GPU Power Saving Mode
  3. CPU & NB Voltage Mode [Offset/Manual]
    1. Offset - CPU & NB Voltage is set to offset value.
    2. Manual - CPU & NB Voltage is set to a fixed value.
  4. CPU Load-Line Calibration [Auto/Enabled/Disabled]
  5. CPU/NB Load-Line Calibration [Auto/Enabled/Disabled]
  6. Cool 'n' Quiet
  7. C1E Support
  8. Anti Surge Support
  9. NB Thermal Protect
  10. CPU & Chassis Q-Fan Function
    1. CPU & Chassis Q-Fan Mode [Enabled/Disabled]
      • Turbo
      • Standard
      • Silent
      • Manual

Question 10 - Since I want to use power saving features once I settle for a final 24/7 stable configuration, how exactly do I effectively use (any of) them during and after the OC process?
  1. Anti Surge Support in BIOS
  2. ASUS EPU OS software
  3. CPU & NB Voltage Offset Mode in BIOS
  4. CPU/NB Load-Line Calibration [Auto/Enabled/Disabled] in BIOS
  5. Cool 'n' Quiet in BIOS
  6. C1E Support in BIOS
  7. GPU Power Saving Mode in BIOS
  8. NB Thermal Protect mode in BIOS
  9. PhenomMSRTweaker/AMDMSRTweaker OS software
  10. Undervolting in BIOS


PART 2 - FINDING & TESTING LIMITS

Questions 11 & 12 - Do I use BIOS or AMD Overdrive or TurboV EVO to find my limits and in what sequential order should I find the limits?
  1. RAM
  2. NB
  3. HTT
  4. FSB
  5. Multiplier

Question 13 - While finding limits for each frequency one at a time, to keep other frequencies (and their respective voltages) @ stock settings do I manually enter them or leave them on Auto?
If I need to manually enter them, what is the stock speed for NB and HTT?

Multiplier - 15x
FSB - 200Mhz
RAM - 1600MHz

NB - 2400MHz? [must be 3 x RAM speed (before DDR) right?]
HTT - 2000MHz?

Question 14 & 15 - What program do I use to test the limits and how long should each test be?
Multiplier/FSB ~ Intel Burn Test, 3DMark, or wPrime?
RAM/NB/HTT ~ Intel Burn Test, OCCT, or Super Pi 32M?


PART 3 - OVERCLOCKING & TESTING

Question 16 - Using the BIOS, in what sequential order should I begin the final overclock?
  1. RAM
  2. NB
  3. HTT
  4. FSB
  5. Multiplier

Questions 17 & 18 - What program do I use to test for 24/7 stability and how long should each test be?

Multiplier/FSB ~ Linx? Prime95?
RAM/NB/HTT ~ Prime95 Blend?

Questions 19 & 20 - Besides the life-shortening effect from overclocking, for the long-term use and stability of a computer, with respect to CPU degradation and longevity, is it better to use an offset voltage (which results in a lower idle but higher transition voltage) or manual voltage (roughly constant voltage)? Will the offset voltage spikes (although within my manufacturer's specified voltages) harm the CPU or cause it to degrade faster over time?

Assume the system is under load 60% of the time it is on (which is why I want to use offset mode - cooler and less power at idle).

This post concludes my pre-OC questions.

If needed, there might be another post with OC questions, and a final post with post-OC questions.

Thanks!
Edited by Stealth3si - 4/28/12 at 8:32pm
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 960T 4.2Ghz / 6 Cores 4Ghz Asus M5A88-V EVO MSI R7950 TFIII 1225/1625 1.25/1.60 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 1736Mhz CL9 1T @1.61V 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, Samsung 830 256GB, WD Ca... Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Push/Pull Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Dell S2740L LED IPS 27" 1080p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech K800 Antec NEO ECO 620C Antec 300 Illusion w/ custom 120mm side intake fan Logitech G700 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Asus Xonar DX Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro-80 w/ Black Gel-Style E... O2 Custom Desktop Headphone Amp CPU/NB Speed: 3038Mhz @ 1.37V 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 960T 4.2Ghz / 6 Cores 4Ghz Asus M5A88-V EVO MSI R7950 TFIII 1225/1625 1.25/1.60 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 1736Mhz CL9 1T @1.61V 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, Samsung 830 256GB, WD Ca... Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Push/Pull Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 Dell S2740L LED IPS 27" 1080p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech K800 Antec NEO ECO 620C Antec 300 Illusion w/ custom 120mm side intake fan Logitech G700 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Asus Xonar DX Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro-80 w/ Black Gel-Style E... O2 Custom Desktop Headphone Amp CPU/NB Speed: 3038Mhz @ 1.37V 
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