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Whats "hdt"?
HDT = Heatpipe Direct Touch
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Im not planning another upgrade for 5 years anyway, so with that in mind am i still aswell getting a Z77(suggestions here would be nice).
What is your designated motherboard budget?
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Ive read that although the "war" between nvidia and ati is fairly large, ive always thought that the way the gpu works in nvidia - its more suited to fsx than what the ati's are.
FSX as in MS Flight Simulator?.. if so the answer is no, FSX is CPU intensive, both cards are severe overkill anyway.
post #12 of 40
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hey again dude,

my mobo budget was around 100gbp

Yh its ms flight sim x, i know its very cpu intensive, but i want to run a fair amount of addon sceneries, etc, ive been told by a few people that i should go with a card thats got at least 1gb of vram, so these have 1.5g - if you fly yourself, you may understand, but when settings are on medium, i keep getting run out of memory and run out of virtual memory errors, despite changing my paging flie size and virtual ram size. i know xp32 only recognises 2.5g which is why i only have 4g of my 8g installed, i also know these mobos that i have already have severe issues with alot of ram, so its a complete new build for me - after all this pc is 5 years old.

regards
paul
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post #13 of 40
I know precisely what you mean smile.gif... you'll be fine with this hardware, you'll max out FSX and it will run flawlessly..
This is the VGA I recommend you get(and fast, before the rebate vanishes)... and for the motherboard I suggest this, as the cheapest good Z77 option atm, or you could mail ebuyer and ask them when will they have the Biostar Z77 boards on offer/in stock... they come very well priced in UK and they offer excellent value for money.
post #14 of 40
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Thanks for the time dude,

i could stretch the xtra 20 or so quid if thats going to be better than a Z68, whats the difference between the asrocks and msi's? do both have extremes? as in extreme 3/4 gen 3, see this is where im getting massively confused - (no offense to others who have helped in my other posts thumb.gif )
Its the same with nvidia g/cards, whats so different between nforce - ge-force, xfx, evga then theres asus nvidia etc etc these all seem to be nvidia cardsand ive just seen asus ge-force, i mean ***?

cheers
paul

To add, when you say vga - im assuming you mean graphics card?
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post #15 of 40
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Thanks for the time dude,
i could stretch the xtra 20 or so quid if thats going to be better than a Z68, whats the difference between the asrocks and msi's? do both have extremes? as in extreme 3/4 gen 3, see this is where im getting massively confused - (no offense to others who have helped in my other posts thumb.gif )
Gen 3 refers to PCIe 3.0 standard, and it's relevant only for the Z68/P67 Generation, which came in PCIe 2.0 and PCIe 3.0 flavors... as opposed to Z77 boards which come in PCIe 3.0 only... you need an Ivy Bridge CPU to take advantage of that though...
Extreme 3(4/5/x) it's an internal product code for Asrock, it's used to identify the market segment positioning of each respective board... Generally 3-4 means value/lower mainstream, 5-6 means mainstream, while 7+ means high end... but it's of little relevance... you shouldn't be concerned with any of these.... the MSI brings better hardware to the table, but both MSI and AsRock produce rather average BIOSes, especially when compared to Asus which in this regard is the market leader(by a consistent margin) at the moment....

Anyway, for the type of system you're building, a Z77-GD55 from MSI would be a very good choice... you're not overclocking everything to hell and back, you're not benching hardware... so stick with that suggestion.
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Its the same with nvidia g/cards, whats so different between nforce - ge-force, xfx, evga then theres asus nvidia etc etc these all seem to be nvidia cardsand ive just seen asus ge-force, i mean ***?
cheers
paul
I don't have the time to clarify such things for you... you need to muster some Google-Fu and start searching, reading, documenting yourself...
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To add, when you say vga - im assuming you mean graphics card?
Your assumption is correct.
post #16 of 40
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The 212 is trash because it's a cheap, inefficient HDT solution... the Thermalright(not Thermaltake, Thermalright is one of the biggest players in the business, one of the few innovators along side Prolimatech and a few others, like Noctua more recently) True Spirti 140 is a toned down version of the Thermalright Archon, it's an excellent cooler for the money.
I suggested a Z77 mobo because(as its name implies) it uses a new chipset, designed for IvyBridge(the successor of SandyBridge) which will be launched in the following days.. it functions equally well with both generations, it's superior to the Z68 in a few ways... higher memory clocks for one.
7950 over 580 for obvious reasons.. it's a superior GPU even at stock clocks, it overclocks better while consuming half the power and generating half the heat of a GTX 580.

proof.gif Seriously, I am a calm person, but your slandering of teh Hyper 212 and Cooler Master in general is appaling. You make the claim that Cooler Master doesn't innovate, but they do.

From Cooler Master's 20 year anniversary site "2000: Cooler Master launches the first every heat pipe heatsink. The CH5-5k11 revolutionizes not only CPU cooling but cooling in general. Many product generations later, heat pipes are now commonly used to cool CPUs, motherboards, graphics cards, chipsets, power supplies, and even industrial equipments."

I hear Noctua and Thermalright use heat pipes to great effect.

From the same website "2001: The first ever full copper heatsink, the HCC-002, is launched. It showcases that copper transfers heat better than other materials."

I hear Zalman uses full copy heatsinks a lot, and also Thermalright. Noctua uses full copper for the bases and heat pipes, with aluminum for the fins, on the NH-D14.

Again "2004: With the Hyper 6 release, Cooler Master achieved yet another milestone by settting an industry first. It was the first heatsink fan combo that featured six heat pipes; which was a challenge at teh time as a great deal of precision is required to bend heat pipes into the specified shapes without damaging them."

Some other innovations from Cooler Master. They were the first company to use a full mesh front for a computer (Centurion 5), which is all the rage these past couple years. They released the first mass-produced liquid cooling system (Aquagate). Later, the released the first all-in-one liquid system (Aquagate mini). In 2008, Cooler Master released the HAF series of cases, which are still extremely popular to this day. They also released teh CM Storm cases, which are also very popular. And I don't think we need to look at the innovation in the Cooler Master Cosmos and Cosmos II line.

Oh, and look at MaximumPC's review of the Hyper 212 +, and the Hyper 212 Evo. The Hyper 212+ got the "10 Kick Ass" award, and the Hyper 212 Evo got the "9 Kick Ass" award. Also, the Hyper 212+ was on the their best of teh best list for a very long time, but now the budget cooler on the best of the best list is the Hyper 212 Evo.

So, before you go on to say that Cooler Master doesn't innovate and that the Hyper 212 coolers suck, just think before you type.
post #17 of 40
Take a look at the XFX 750W XXX Edtion. It's slight overkill but gives you headroom to upgrade and overclock. A very solid unit
post #18 of 40
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Take a look at the XFX 750W XXX Edtion. It's slight overkill but gives you headroom to upgrade and overclock. A very solid unit

Yeah, i agree. Or you can see if you can find a NZXT Hale 750, those are very nice and modular at a cheap price.
post #19 of 40
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Originally Posted by ./Cy4n1d3\. View Post

proof.gif Seriously, I am a calm person, but your slandering of teh Hyper 212 and Cooler Master in general is appaling. You make the claim that Cooler Master doesn't innovate, but they do.
From Cooler Master's 20 year anniversary site "2000: Cooler Master launches the first every heat pipe heatsink. The CH5-5k11 revolutionizes not only CPU cooling but cooling in general. Many product generations later, heat pipes are now commonly used to cool CPUs, motherboards, graphics cards, chipsets, power supplies, and even industrial equipments."
I hear Noctua and Thermalright use heat pipes to great effect.
From the same website "2001: The first ever full copper heatsink, the HCC-002, is launched. It showcases that copper transfers heat better than other materials."
I hear Zalman uses full copy heatsinks a lot, and also Thermalright. Noctua uses full copper for the bases and heat pipes, with aluminum for the fins, on the NH-D14.
Again "2004: With the Hyper 6 release, Cooler Master achieved yet another milestone by settting an industry first. It was the first heatsink fan combo that featured six heat pipes; which was a challenge at teh time as a great deal of precision is required to bend heat pipes into the specified shapes without damaging them."
Sorry, I don't have time for this... but you might want to support your case with something else than CM's own marketing and self praise... and no, CM is no longer an innovator in regard to air coolers, in fact CM hasn't produced a top performing air cooler in years... all the achievements you copy pasted are from a decade ago... by the same reasoning Xerox is an innovator, more so, Rambus is!
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Oh, and look at MaximumPC's review of the Hyper 212 +, and the Hyper 212 Evo. The Hyper 212+ got the "10 Kick Ass" award, and the Hyper 212 Evo got the "9 Kick Ass" award. Also, the Hyper 212+ was on the their best of teh best list for a very long time, but now the budget cooler on the best of the best list is the Hyper 212 Evo.
Really?.. MaximusPC + complete lack of common sense = 212 is "Kick Ass"
I'd love to give you a different answer but I have active infractions and warnings... and I simply cannot reply to this without insulting you, repeatedly..
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So, before you go on to say that Cooler Master doesn't innovate and that the Hyper 212 coolers suck, just think before you type.
I'll do that, thank you.
post #20 of 40
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Sorry, I don't have time for this... but you might want to support your case with something else than CM's own marketing and self praise... and no, CM is no longer an innovator in regard to air coolers, in fact CM hasn't produced a top performing air cooler in years... all the achievements you copy pasted are from a decade ago... by the same reasoning Xerox is an innovator, more so, Rambus is!
Really?.. MaximusPC + complete lack of common sense = 212 is "Kick Ass"
I'd love to give you a different answer but I have active infractions and warnings... and I simply cannot reply to this without insulting you, repeatedly..
I'll do that, thank you.

They are still an innovator.

Cooler Master TPC 812: "The first ever CPU heatsink to utilize Vertical Vapor Chamber cooling and combine it with heat pipe technology, TPC 812 is prepared to handle the massive heat generated by overclocking and benchmarking. Vertical Vapor Chamber working in tandem with heat pipes and a specialized heatsink and fin design allow the TPC 812 to outperform the competition."

And to be sure that I am not just putting up marketing material... From Pro-Clockers review of the TPC 812: "Cooler Master is going back to the original concept of outperforming the next cooler." and the final thoughts "We found that the Cooler Master TPC 812 is one heck of a cooler. Due to the change in platforms we were only able to put the new cooler up against one other cooler. But that cooler used two 120mm fans and was able to take it down. And another plus while achieving this is the cooler remained quiet. Making it one of the best noise-versus-performance we ever tested. The ideal of using the dual thermal cooling solutions was a good one as it performed like advertised. The Cooler Master TPC 812 cooler will retail for $69.99 once in stores. I like the cooler in this price range as the performance I good to great. And won’t break the bank of most that are out to buy a better cooler."

Tech PowerUP said: "After releasing the world's first heatpipe heatsink in 2000, Cooler Master announces that it will begin to phase in Vertical Vapor Chamber technology into its upcoming retail CPU heatsinks; a technology initially developed by Cooler Master's OEM and industrial cooling division. Vertical Vapor Chambers feature less than half the air resistance by reducing airflow vortexes and noise generated by air streaming through a heatsink. At the same time vertical vapor chambers exhibit 3 times the fin contact area, enabling faster and more efficient transfer of heat from the vapor chambers to the fins, and overall more efficient use of the available fin surface area."
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