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#1 ·
Hi folks,

Im currently going to be starting a new build over the next few months, and wondering what peoples opinions on a psu for this set up would be:

core i5 2500k(oc to 4.5), gtx580 card, hyper 212 hsf, p8z68 mobo, - not sure about hdd/ssd yet.
(now over to the cases forum)

regards
paul
 
#2 ·
if you have a great amount of money to put on a PSU i would say 800w approxx will be stable with a OC cpu and gpu for say. and for the brands silverstone,sparkle,XFX and seasonic is pretty much the one i have experience with and work really great. but im the kind of guy who play safe i dont like too have just enough PSU wattage better be safe with PSU pick a good brand with a little more wattage .
 
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if you have a great amount of money to put on a PSU i would say 800w approxx will be stable with a OC cpu and gpu for say. and for the brands silverstone,sparkle,XFX and seasonic is pretty much the one i have experience with and work really great. but im the kind of guy who play safe i dont like too have just enough PSU wattage better be safe with PSU pick a good brand with a little more wattage .
800 is overkill for a single card setup
I'd recommend the hx650, modular, corsair, thin cables
 
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800 is overkill for a single card setup
I'd recommend the hx650, modular, corsair, thin cables
in the past i bought a tx 650 and it fail with my single gpu i had before but i have been unlucky maybe but why not be overkill it is safe and good for the long run if he has the money if not he better buy a lower wattage PSU
 
#6 ·
Hi guys thanks also for your swift responses - same as my other post on cases - 100 gbp is a bit much, i was looking at ocz 600w @65.50, thats pretty top of my budget for a psu, if i add more money to the psu then i have to save that money from another component, - ie graphics card or i will have to omit my ssd altogether.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OCZ-600W-PC-SLI-80-Modular-Gaming-Power-Supply-Unit-/160585569179?pt=UK_Computing_PowerSupplies_EH&hash=item2563a5539b

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OCZ-550W-SIlent-Gaming-Power-Supply-Unit-PSU-With-8-Pin-550-Watt-PSU-80-PLUS-/140720291137?pt=UK_Computing_PowerSupplies_EH&hash=item20c3953d41

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OCZ-ModXStream-Pro-500W-ATX-Power-Supply-Unit-PSU-UK-/140491975084?pt=UK_Computing_PowerSupplies_EH&hash=item20b5f969ac

thanks guys
paul
 
#7 ·
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Originally Posted by fatherof1 View Post

Hi guys thanks also for your swift responses - same as my other post on cases - 100 gbp is a bit much, i was looking at ocz 600w @65.50, thats pretty top of my budget for a psu, if i add more money to the psu then i have to save that money from another component, - ie graphics card or i will have to omit my ssd altogether.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OCZ-600W-PC-SLI-80-Modular-Gaming-Power-Supply-Unit-/160585569179?pt=UK_Computing_PowerSupplies_EH&hash=item2563a5539b
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OCZ-550W-SIlent-Gaming-Power-Supply-Unit-PSU-With-8-Pin-550-Watt-PSU-80-PLUS-/140720291137?pt=UK_Computing_PowerSupplies_EH&hash=item20c3953d41
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OCZ-ModXStream-Pro-500W-ATX-Power-Supply-Unit-PSU-UK-/140491975084?pt=UK_Computing_PowerSupplies_EH&hash=item20b5f969ac
thanks guys
paul
The ZS is the best unit there, not a great one though... this is consideraby better, and a very good deal at that price.

Drop the 212, it's trash.. go with this, a whole different ball game.
As far as SSDs go the M4 is your best choice since you're on a budget.
I'd suggest picking a Z77 board as well, and a 7950 instead of the 580, better in every possible way for a marginal cost difference(at most).
 
#8 ·
ok, i value your opinion, but why is the 212 trash? im not meaning to start a war, im just interested in your reasons, i know nothing about any of this gear, i like the look of the thermaltake but tbh, they all look the same, also the same with the mobo, and the graphics card, why do you not recommend the ones i suggested?
The graphics card was the next forum i was going(aswell as try avsim)

regards
paul
 
#9 ·
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Originally Posted by fatherof1 View Post

ok, i value your opinion, but why is the 212 trash? im not meaning to start a war, im just interested in your reasons, i know nothing about any of this gear, i like the look of the thermaltake but tbh, they all look the same, also the same with the mobo, and the graphics card, why do you not recommend the ones i suggested?
The graphics card was the next forum i was going(aswell as try avsim)
regards
paul
The 212 is trash because it's a cheap, inefficient HDT solution... the Thermalright(not Thermaltake, Thermalright is one of the biggest players in the business, one of the few innovators along side Prolimatech and a few others, like Noctua more recently) True Spirti 140 is a toned down version of the Thermalright Archon, it's an excellent cooler for the money.
I suggested a Z77 mobo because(as its name implies) it uses a new chipset, designed for IvyBridge(the successor of SandyBridge) which will be launched in the following days.. it functions equally well with both generations, it's superior to the Z68 in a few ways... higher memory clocks for one.
7950 over 580 for obvious reasons.. it's a superior GPU even at stock clocks, it overclocks better while consuming half the power and generating half the heat of a GTX 580.
 
#10 ·
Hi unoriginalsin, thanks for the reply, my apologies for not getting back to you sooner,

Whats "hdt"?
Im not planning another upgrade for 5 years anyway, so with that in mind am i still aswell getting a Z77(suggestions here would be nice).
Ive read that although the "war" between nvidia and ati is fairly large, ive always thought that the way the gpu works in nvidia - its more suited to fsx than what the ati's are.
 
#11 ·
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Whats "hdt"?
HDT = Heatpipe Direct Touch
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Im not planning another upgrade for 5 years anyway, so with that in mind am i still aswell getting a Z77(suggestions here would be nice).
What is your designated motherboard budget?
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Ive read that although the "war" between nvidia and ati is fairly large, ive always thought that the way the gpu works in nvidia - its more suited to fsx than what the ati's are.
FSX as in MS Flight Simulator?.. if so the answer is no, FSX is CPU intensive, both cards are severe overkill anyway.
 
#12 ·
hey again dude,

my mobo budget was around 100gbp

Yh its ms flight sim x, i know its very cpu intensive, but i want to run a fair amount of addon sceneries, etc, ive been told by a few people that i should go with a card thats got at least 1gb of vram, so these have 1.5g - if you fly yourself, you may understand, but when settings are on medium, i keep getting run out of memory and run out of virtual memory errors, despite changing my paging flie size and virtual ram size. i know xp32 only recognises 2.5g which is why i only have 4g of my 8g installed, i also know these mobos that i have already have severe issues with alot of ram, so its a complete new build for me - after all this pc is 5 years old.

regards
paul
 
#13 ·
I know precisely what you mean
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... you'll be fine with this hardware, you'll max out FSX and it will run flawlessly..
This is the VGA I recommend you get(and fast, before the rebate vanishes)... and for the motherboard I suggest this, as the cheapest good Z77 option atm, or you could mail ebuyer and ask them when will they have the Biostar Z77 boards on offer/in stock... they come very well priced in UK and they offer excellent value for money.
 
#14 ·
Thanks for the time dude,

i could stretch the xtra 20 or so quid if thats going to be better than a Z68, whats the difference between the asrocks and msi's? do both have extremes? as in extreme 3/4 gen 3, see this is where im getting massively confused - (no offense to others who have helped in my other posts
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Its the same with nvidia g/cards, whats so different between nforce - ge-force, xfx, evga then theres asus nvidia etc etc these all seem to be nvidia cardsand ive just seen asus ge-force, i mean ***?

cheers
paul

To add, when you say vga - im assuming you mean graphics card?
 
#15 ·
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Thanks for the time dude,
i could stretch the xtra 20 or so quid if thats going to be better than a Z68, whats the difference between the asrocks and msi's? do both have extremes? as in extreme 3/4 gen 3, see this is where im getting massively confused - (no offense to others who have helped in my other posts
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Gen 3 refers to PCIe 3.0 standard, and it's relevant only for the Z68/P67 Generation, which came in PCIe 2.0 and PCIe 3.0 flavors... as opposed to Z77 boards which come in PCIe 3.0 only... you need an Ivy Bridge CPU to take advantage of that though...
Extreme 3(4/5/x) it's an internal product code for Asrock, it's used to identify the market segment positioning of each respective board... Generally 3-4 means value/lower mainstream, 5-6 means mainstream, while 7+ means high end... but it's of little relevance... you shouldn't be concerned with any of these.... the MSI brings better hardware to the table, but both MSI and AsRock produce rather average BIOSes, especially when compared to Asus which in this regard is the market leader(by a consistent margin) at the moment....

Anyway, for the type of system you're building, a Z77-GD55 from MSI would be a very good choice... you're not overclocking everything to hell and back, you're not benching hardware... so stick with that suggestion.
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Its the same with nvidia g/cards, whats so different between nforce - ge-force, xfx, evga then theres asus nvidia etc etc these all seem to be nvidia cardsand ive just seen asus ge-force, i mean ***?
cheers
paul
I don't have the time to clarify such things for you... you need to muster some Google-Fu and start searching, reading, documenting yourself...
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To add, when you say vga - im assuming you mean graphics card?
Your assumption is correct.
 
#16 ·
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The 212 is trash because it's a cheap, inefficient HDT solution... the Thermalright(not Thermaltake, Thermalright is one of the biggest players in the business, one of the few innovators along side Prolimatech and a few others, like Noctua more recently) True Spirti 140 is a toned down version of the Thermalright Archon, it's an excellent cooler for the money.
I suggested a Z77 mobo because(as its name implies) it uses a new chipset, designed for IvyBridge(the successor of SandyBridge) which will be launched in the following days.. it functions equally well with both generations, it's superior to the Z68 in a few ways... higher memory clocks for one.
7950 over 580 for obvious reasons.. it's a superior GPU even at stock clocks, it overclocks better while consuming half the power and generating half the heat of a GTX 580.
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Seriously, I am a calm person, but your slandering of teh Hyper 212 and Cooler Master in general is appaling. You make the claim that Cooler Master doesn't innovate, but they do.

From Cooler Master's 20 year anniversary site "2000: Cooler Master launches the first every heat pipe heatsink. The CH5-5k11 revolutionizes not only CPU cooling but cooling in general. Many product generations later, heat pipes are now commonly used to cool CPUs, motherboards, graphics cards, chipsets, power supplies, and even industrial equipments."

I hear Noctua and Thermalright use heat pipes to great effect.

From the same website "2001: The first ever full copper heatsink, the HCC-002, is launched. It showcases that copper transfers heat better than other materials."

I hear Zalman uses full copy heatsinks a lot, and also Thermalright. Noctua uses full copper for the bases and heat pipes, with aluminum for the fins, on the NH-D14.

Again "2004: With the Hyper 6 release, Cooler Master achieved yet another milestone by settting an industry first. It was the first heatsink fan combo that featured six heat pipes; which was a challenge at teh time as a great deal of precision is required to bend heat pipes into the specified shapes without damaging them."

Some other innovations from Cooler Master. They were the first company to use a full mesh front for a computer (Centurion 5), which is all the rage these past couple years. They released the first mass-produced liquid cooling system (Aquagate). Later, the released the first all-in-one liquid system (Aquagate mini). In 2008, Cooler Master released the HAF series of cases, which are still extremely popular to this day. They also released teh CM Storm cases, which are also very popular. And I don't think we need to look at the innovation in the Cooler Master Cosmos and Cosmos II line.

Oh, and look at MaximumPC's review of the Hyper 212 +, and the Hyper 212 Evo. The Hyper 212+ got the "10 Kick Ass" award, and the Hyper 212 Evo got the "9 Kick Ass" award. Also, the Hyper 212+ was on the their best of teh best list for a very long time, but now the budget cooler on the best of the best list is the Hyper 212 Evo.

So, before you go on to say that Cooler Master doesn't innovate and that the Hyper 212 coolers suck, just think before you type.
 
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Take a look at the XFX 750W XXX Edtion. It's slight overkill but gives you headroom to upgrade and overclock. A very solid unit
Yeah, i agree. Or you can see if you can find a NZXT Hale 750, those are very nice and modular at a cheap price.
 
#19 ·
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Originally Posted by ./Cy4n1d3\. View Post

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Seriously, I am a calm person, but your slandering of teh Hyper 212 and Cooler Master in general is appaling. You make the claim that Cooler Master doesn't innovate, but they do.
From Cooler Master's 20 year anniversary site "2000: Cooler Master launches the first every heat pipe heatsink. The CH5-5k11 revolutionizes not only CPU cooling but cooling in general. Many product generations later, heat pipes are now commonly used to cool CPUs, motherboards, graphics cards, chipsets, power supplies, and even industrial equipments."
I hear Noctua and Thermalright use heat pipes to great effect.
From the same website "2001: The first ever full copper heatsink, the HCC-002, is launched. It showcases that copper transfers heat better than other materials."
I hear Zalman uses full copy heatsinks a lot, and also Thermalright. Noctua uses full copper for the bases and heat pipes, with aluminum for the fins, on the NH-D14.
Again "2004: With the Hyper 6 release, Cooler Master achieved yet another milestone by settting an industry first. It was the first heatsink fan combo that featured six heat pipes; which was a challenge at teh time as a great deal of precision is required to bend heat pipes into the specified shapes without damaging them."
Sorry, I don't have time for this... but you might want to support your case with something else than CM's own marketing and self praise... and no, CM is no longer an innovator in regard to air coolers, in fact CM hasn't produced a top performing air cooler in years... all the achievements you copy pasted are from a decade ago... by the same reasoning Xerox is an innovator, more so, Rambus is!
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Oh, and look at MaximumPC's review of the Hyper 212 +, and the Hyper 212 Evo. The Hyper 212+ got the "10 Kick Ass" award, and the Hyper 212 Evo got the "9 Kick Ass" award. Also, the Hyper 212+ was on the their best of teh best list for a very long time, but now the budget cooler on the best of the best list is the Hyper 212 Evo.
Really?.. MaximusPC + complete lack of common sense = 212 is "Kick Ass"
I'd love to give you a different answer but I have active infractions and warnings... and I simply cannot reply to this without insulting you, repeatedly..
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So, before you go on to say that Cooler Master doesn't innovate and that the Hyper 212 coolers suck, just think before you type.
I'll do that, thank you.
 
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Sorry, I don't have time for this... but you might want to support your case with something else than CM's own marketing and self praise... and no, CM is no longer an innovator in regard to air coolers, in fact CM hasn't produced a top performing air cooler in years... all the achievements you copy pasted are from a decade ago... by the same reasoning Xerox is an innovator, more so, Rambus is!
Really?.. MaximusPC + complete lack of common sense = 212 is "Kick Ass"
I'd love to give you a different answer but I have active infractions and warnings... and I simply cannot reply to this without insulting you, repeatedly..
I'll do that, thank you.
They are still an innovator.

Cooler Master TPC 812: "The first ever CPU heatsink to utilize Vertical Vapor Chamber cooling and combine it with heat pipe technology, TPC 812 is prepared to handle the massive heat generated by overclocking and benchmarking. Vertical Vapor Chamber working in tandem with heat pipes and a specialized heatsink and fin design allow the TPC 812 to outperform the competition."

And to be sure that I am not just putting up marketing material... From Pro-Clockers review of the TPC 812: "Cooler Master is going back to the original concept of outperforming the next cooler." and the final thoughts "We found that the Cooler Master TPC 812 is one heck of a cooler. Due to the change in platforms we were only able to put the new cooler up against one other cooler. But that cooler used two 120mm fans and was able to take it down. And another plus while achieving this is the cooler remained quiet. Making it one of the best noise-versus-performance we ever tested. The ideal of using the dual thermal cooling solutions was a good one as it performed like advertised. The Cooler Master TPC 812 cooler will retail for $69.99 once in stores. I like the cooler in this price range as the performance I good to great. And won't break the bank of most that are out to buy a better cooler."

Tech PowerUP said: "After releasing the world's first heatpipe heatsink in 2000, Cooler Master announces that it will begin to phase in Vertical Vapor Chamber technology into its upcoming retail CPU heatsinks; a technology initially developed by Cooler Master's OEM and industrial cooling division. Vertical Vapor Chambers feature less than half the air resistance by reducing airflow vortexes and noise generated by air streaming through a heatsink. At the same time vertical vapor chambers exhibit 3 times the fin contact area, enabling faster and more efficient transfer of heat from the vapor chambers to the fins, and overall more efficient use of the available fin surface area."
 
#21 ·
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They are still an innovator.
Cooler Master TPC 812: "The first ever CPU heatsink to utilize Vertical Vapor Chamber cooling and combine it with heat pipe technology, TPC 812 is prepared to handle the massive heat generated by overclocking and benchmarking. Vertical Vapor Chamber working in tandem with heat pipes and a specialized heatsink and fin design allow the TPC 812 to outperform the competition."
And to be sure that I am not just putting up marketing material... From Pro-Clockers review of the TPC 812: "Cooler Master is going back to the original concept of outperforming the next cooler." and the final thoughts "We found that the Cooler Master TPC 812 is one heck of a cooler. Due to the change in platforms we were only able to put the new cooler up against one other cooler. But that cooler used two 120mm fans and was able to take it down. And another plus while achieving this is the cooler remained quiet. Making it one of the best noise-versus-performance we ever tested. The ideal of using the dual thermal cooling solutions was a good one as it performed like advertised. The Cooler Master TPC 812 cooler will retail for $69.99 once in stores. I like the cooler in this price range as the performance I good to great. And won't break the bank of most that are out to buy a better cooler."
Tech PowerUP said: "After releasing the world's first heatpipe heatsink in 2000, Cooler Master announces that it will begin to phase in Vertical Vapor Chamber technology into its upcoming retail CPU heatsinks; a technology initially developed by Cooler Master's OEM and industrial cooling division. Vertical Vapor Chambers feature less than half the air resistance by reducing airflow vortexes and noise generated by air streaming through a heatsink. At the same time vertical vapor chambers exhibit 3 times the fin contact area, enabling faster and more efficient transfer of heat from the vapor chambers to the fins, and overall more efficient use of the available fin surface area."
I actually played with a TPC 821 last week, it's a solid cooler(something new from Cooler Master) but it's not a high end part, it can't compete with the massive twin tower designs from the likes of Panteks, Thermalright, Noctua, Prolimatech, etc... but joining the pack is not innovation... innovation it's a leap.
I've seen "innovative" designs of all sorts... from the single 2.5cm heatpipe used by Titan, to the perpendicularly stacked heatpipes from Scythe(Ninja).. and I wonder what kind of brain dead earhtworms bring this kind of thrash to market and pair them with adjectives like "innovative" or "unique" since they offer nothing over widely used, cheaper, "classic" designs.
 
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I actually played with a TPC 821 last week, it's a solid cooler(something new from Cooler Master) but it's not a high end part, it can't compete with the massive twin tower designs from the likes of Panteks, Thermalright, Noctua, Prolimatech, etc... but joining the pack is not innovation... innovation it's a leap.
I've seen "innovative" designs of all sorts... from the single 2.5" heatpipe used by Titan, to the perpendicularly stacked heatpipes from Scythe(Ninja).. and I wonder what kind of brain dead earhtworms bring this kind of thrash to market and pair them with adjectives like "innovative" or "unique" since they offer nothing over widely used, cheaper, "classic" designs.
Innovation doesn't mean being the best. Innovation is bringing fresh ideas. Vertical vapor chambers are innovation.

I read a review for a cooler that was almost a carbon copy of the Noctua NH-14, and it managed to wring an additional degree or two out of teh design. Is that innovation? No, not really, just a more perfect design than Noctua provides.

Also, to be clear, i am not debating if Cooler Master is the best. The best is situational, depending on what limitations and qualifiers you add to the moment. No, I am debating that Cooler Master does innovate, still to this day. Also, I am debating that the Hyper 212 isn't "trash because it's a cheap, inefficient HDT solution". All the reviews that I have read on the Hyper 212 coolers have said they are good coolers, and they provide the best efficiency per dollar... and they perform well in general.
 
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Innovation doesn't mean being the best. Innovation is bringing fresh ideas. Vertical vapor chambers are innovation.
Vapor chambers are nothing new, and nothing more than oversized, rectangular heatpipes.
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I read a review for a cooler that was almost a carbon copy of the Noctua NH-14, and it managed to wring an additional degree or two out of teh design. Is that innovation? No, not really, just a more perfect design than Noctua provides.
It's a Phanteks PH-TC14PE, it's larger, has a slightly better base and it comes with better fans.
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Also, to be clear, i am not debating if Cooler Master is the best. The best is situational, depending on what limitations and qualifiers you add to the moment. No, I am debating that Cooler Master does innovate, still to this day. Also, I am debating that the Hyper 212 isn't "trash because it's a cheap, inefficient HDT solution". All the reviews that I have read on the Hyper 212 coolers have said they are good coolers, and they provide the best efficiency per dollar... and they perform well in general.
So based on that you decided to step in and sort me out, being appalled by my apparently senseless, inane rant against Cooler Master, not the 212, but Cooler Master... you proceeded to copy paste some marketing rants you understand little about and hit me hard with a MaximumPC review of the 212, a review as "kick ass" as the cooler
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... to hell with thermodynamics, I have absolutely no clue what the heat transfer coefficient is and I don't really care, and convection sounds gay anyway... I say it's "kick ass"

Here's a proper cooler review, there's a 212+ in there too... and please, grow a brain.
 
#24 ·
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Vapor chambers are nothing new, and nothing more than oversized, rectangular heatpipes.
It's a Phanteks PH-TC14PE, it's larger, has a slightly better base and it comes with better fans.
So based on that you decided to step in and sort me out, being appalled by my apparently senseless, inane rant against Cooler Master, not the 212, but Cooler Master... you proceeded to copy paste some marketing rants you understand little about and hit me hard with a MaximumPC review of the 212, a review as "kick ass" as the cooler
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... to hell with thermodynamics, I have absolutely no clue what the heat transfer coefficient is and I don't really care, and convection sounds gay anyway... I say it's "kick ass"
Here's a proper cooler review, there's a 212+ in there too... and please, grow a brain.
Let's see, obscure Romanian website, or MaximumPC (a segment of FutureUS, who also publish PC Gamer).. hard choice. Who to believe, the company that gets early exclusive looks at many products (like the Cosmos II in the newest Dream machine, or the Blackbird for the... dream machine.), or the company that... doesn't.

Basically, you quoted one website that refutes thousands of other websites that say that they Hyper 212 is a good cooler. You said it was "trash because it's a cheap, inefficient HDT solution". Well, what if somebody doesn't want to spend $100 on a cooler? Maybe being one of the best cheap heatsinks (that can compete against some higher priced ones) is good enough?

Also, you never qualified in what way the 212 was inefficient. If you look at performance/ dollars, it is efficient.
 
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Let's see, obscure Romanian website, or MaximumPC (a segment of FutureUS, who also publish PC Gamer).. hard choice. Who to believe, the company that gets early exclusive looks at many products (like the Cosmos II in the newest Dream machine, or the Blackbird for the... dream machine.), or the company that... doesn't.
You could like... use your head?.. just a though... maybe look at the methodology, and try to understand what each review tries to point out and emphasize... stupid stuff like heat transfer(the base type, quality, the retention mechanism, the pressure), heat dissipation parameters(fin surface, density, etc) and how well it scales in relation to airlow, static pressure, voltage and generated heat.... I don't know... I'd say "kick ass" wins, right?

ps. since you know nothing about the reviewers in question, you should probably hold on judgement calls... obscure?.. your ignorance is overwhelming.
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Basically, you quoted one website that refutes thousands of other websites that say that they Hyper 212 is a good cooler. You said it was "trash because it's a cheap, inefficient HDT solution". Well, what if somebody doesn't want to spend $100 on a cooler? Maybe being one of the best cheap heatsinks (that can compete against some higher priced ones) is good enough?
That's not the only source with a poor verdict for the 212+, I linked them because their methodology is excellent, it's one of the best(if not the best) air cooler/heat sink review site on the web.... but even if it was the single source who trashed the 212+, your argument is based on flawed logic... since when does "many" = "better' or "true"!??.. are you that.. slow?
And no it can't compete, not where it matters... high overclocks, high TDP... for stock clocks and low TDP scenarios it's irrelevant.. it's competing with a stock cooler that came for "free".
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Also, you never qualified in what way the 212 was inefficient. If you look at performance/ dollars, it is efficient.
What performance?... cooling performance?.. there's no such thing for the 212+... it's cheap for a reason.
 
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