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hey guys, I just installed my new [URL=http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-8gb-dual-channel- Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
ddr3-memory-kit-cmz8gx3m2a1866c9r.html]corsair vengeance RAM (CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9R)[/URL] and what bother me is my AI Suite II shows me that my RAM' speed is only 667MHz? not 1866MHz?

one more thing, instead of 8.00gb, my System shows me that my installed memory is 7.95gb.. Its supposed to be 8.00gb right?

I'm kinda new with this computer thingy so I need help from you guys. Thanks
!

maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong - but that's for each channel.
As mine is dual channel it is 800x2 = 1600mhz

You tried - looking if you are on auto or set frequency in your bios?



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Thanks for your sugestions Totally Dubbed.
1) I will try relaxing the timings, but I don't want to have to do that as I'd hoped to do so only when I OC the Ram. They should work at normal timings, and these do work at XMP timings good at 8GB (A1/A2 or B1/B2) on this board - and all 16GB at regular timings on other board. I just ran the 8GB tests again last night (A's then B's) for 6hrs each and they passed, and then put all 16GB back again this morning and one error so far in less than an hour.
2) Ram is good - except as 16GB on this one board. Ram tests good as single sticks and 8GB pairs on this board, and all 16GB in another board.
3) Can't be IMC as the same IMC was on the other board (moved cpu) and I have also tried using both a 3570K and a 3770K on this board and the other board.
4) I have tried three different BIOS's too - 1206, 1616, and 1708 - after flashing it last night and retesting (hoping so much that that would be the fix!)
So, I'm guessing I may have to return it or RMA it which is a big bummer. Further suggestions are welcome! (...if there is anything else I can do that I have missed....)

1) Fair enough, and I can understand where you are coming from, but to determine the problem, try leaving it on auto
2) Could well be motherboard related then
3) Well that's some sort of relief I guess
4) Good that you are trying the different bios'

I would highly siggest prime'ing it.
Now you might think I'm crazy - but I had to RMA ram very recently.
Long story short is:
-p95 would pick it up instantly, IBT would pick it up every now and then, memtest after a solid 11hrs with the "supposedly faulty module" passed 20 times, and didn't fail
-I RMA'ed it anyway, as each time i put the 1 ram module in it would fail - the company got it, memtested it, and it failed within minutes, yet mine passed in 11hrs.
-Long story short then, p95 is my benchmark for stability and reliability. I don't trust memtest nor IBT no more, just off my experience.
Now that I RMA'ed the ram, i have no problems and I'm running stable on my 4.5ghz OC on 16GB ram

What I'm trying to say is, before dealing with the dreaded asus, try seeing if it is the RAM - as that's easier to test and see.
I spent over 1-2weeks testing, and finally thought to RMA it - i went maybe a little over-board testing, but I knew 100% it was the ram after that much testing.
Similarly with you, you can be 100% sure before RMA'ing the board.
For my corsair ram it was painless, and if i was wrong, i would have lost only £10 for pick-up charges, however with asus....i've dealt with them before and it is an absolute nightmare (you might be without a board for over 2-3weeks, and more so they might not even do their job properly, as they are useless)
Edited by Totally Dubbed - 11/17/12 at 10:06am
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No worries. Im not making this stuff up, but i dont have pics from before de-lid either so you will either just take my word for it or not tongue.gif
This is not P95, its only chicken Aida 64 load testing for now... i know its not the uber software for stress testing and im just trying to see how far i can go on it... after reaching my max on Aida i will revert to around 43x and work my way up on p95.
btw, have you heard anyone had their chip broken on p95? i saw the Newegg video with the asus guy telling people NOT to test on p95 or IBT on the IB chip due to incompatability with various instruction sets and so on? i did run p95 and IBT at 43x just fine with low temps and not to much vCore, but im reluctant to try it on higher clocks until i know more about the so called issues...

Well something is not making sense. The sort of changes you are talking about would be a world first by several orders of magnitude compared to what others have gotten.

You must have had a bad mount in your original test because it should never have been that hot at stock volts and freqs. Otherwise the chip would have been well and truly thermal throttling running P95 at stock volts ... the stock coolers are bad, but no where near that bad.

My CPU sits at mid 50's when I use the low stress CPU tests too. What ambient temperature is the computer exposed to? Because from the minimums on your screenshot of 20C ? Your system would have to be idleing at very very close to ambient temperature unless your room is damn cold., and that is practically unheard of.
Edited by Jakusonfire - 11/17/12 at 10:23am
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maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong - but that's for each channel.
As mine is dual channel it is 800x2 = 1600mhz
You tried - looking if you are on auto or set frequency in your bios?


I'm sorry but can you explain about that a little bit more? Honestly, my knowledge about RAM is.... zero frown.gif
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hey guys, I just installed my new corsair vengeance RAM (CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9R) and what bother me is my AI Suite II shows me that my RAM's max region is only 667MHz? not 1866MHz?

one more thing, instead of 8.00gb, my System shows me that my installed memory is 7.95gb.. Its supposed to be 8.00gb right?

I'm kinda new with this computer thingy so I need help from you guys. Thanks!

Your ammount of ram shown in windows is fine ... Mine shows 7.88GB usable when I have 8Gb installed.

The memory timing you are seeing is the SPD default for each channel. You have Dual Channel board so 667 x 2 = 1333Mhz, All RAM made today will start set at its SPD default of 1333MHz

What you need to do is go into the BIOS and enable the XMP memory timing profile ... you can see it in the bottom section of your screen shot labled XMP-1866

EDIT: Actually scratch that ... I just checked and my software shows the same. The Asus software only shows the SPD default values in that section because its just a system info app to show you what is installed in your computer. It will display that no matter what settings you have.
Edited by Jakusonfire - 11/17/12 at 10:56am
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I'm sorry but can you explain about that a little bit more? Honestly, my knowledge about RAM is.... zero frown.gif

mine isn' much either dude - just thought to show u, that I'm on 1600, yet I get the same displayed via CPU-Z - my theory is that it is the last 800 then x2, thus meaning 1600mhz for me
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1) Fair enough, and I can understand where you are coming from, but to determine the problem, try leaving it on auto
2) Could well be motherboard related then
3) Well that's some sort of relief I guess
4) Good that you are trying the different bios'

I would highly siggest prime'ing it.
Now you might think I'm crazy - but I had to RMA ram very recently.
Long story short is:
-p95 would pick it up instantly, IBT would pick it up every now and then, memtest after a solid 11hrs with the "supposedly faulty module" passed 20 times, and didn't fail
-I RMA'ed it anyway, as each time i put the 1 ram module in it would fail - the company got it, memtested it, and it failed within minutes, yet mine passed in 11hrs.
-Long story short then, p95 is my benchmark for stability and reliability. I don't trust memtest nor IBT no more, just off my experience.
Now that I RMA'ed the ram, i have no problems and I'm running stable on my 4.5ghz OC on 16GB ram

What I'm trying to say is, before dealing with the dreaded asus, try seeing if it is the RAM - as that's easier to test and see.
I spent over 1-2weeks testing, and finally thought to RMA it - i went maybe a little over-board testing, but I knew 100% it was the ram after that much testing.
Similarly with you, you can be 100% sure before RMA'ing the board.
For my corsair ram it was painless, and if i was wrong, i would have lost only £10 for pick-up charges, however with asus....i've dealt with them before and it is an absolute nightmare (you might be without a board for over 2-3weeks, and more so they might not even do their job properly, as they are useless)

You are so right Totally Dubbed about priming it - and that is where I first encountered the problem. I was doing some prime95 stability testing soon after getting the board to verify it had no problems, and prime kept dying no matter what vcore or other settings I'd use.

Like you, I knew something was not right if I can't prime, so I started to test memory right away and found the memtest failures. I'll try auto and see if that works.

No other error since the first one so far this morning with 16GB, so they are close, but only need one mem error to make system unstable and stop prime runs.....

And, I really want to avoid talking to Asus too!
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hey guys, I just installed my new corsair vengeance RAM (CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9R) and what bother me is my AI Suite II shows me that my RAM's max region is only 667MHz? not 1866MHz?
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

one more thing, instead of 8.00gb, my System shows me that my installed memory is 7.95gb.. Its supposed to be 8.00gb right?
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I'm kinda new with this computer thingy so I need help from you guys. Thanks!

On the mem, you will see the "XMP-1866" at the middle right of the first pic and then the "933 MHz" - that lets you know you are running at 1866 (2x933=1866) - its the way they show it as they double clock the chips. So you are OK.

Also, windows showing the 7.95GB is fine too as there are more than one way to note 8GB. Windows shows usable space as is uses memory while the physical memory is really 8GB. So your good there too!
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You are so right Totally Dubbed about priming it - and that is where I first encountered the problem. I was doing some prime95 stability testing soon after getting the board to verify it had no problems, and prime kept dying no matter what vcore or other settings I'd use.
Like you, I knew something was not right if I can't prime, so I started to test memory right away and found the memtest failures. I'll try auto and see if that works.
No other error since the first one so far this morning with 16GB, so they are close, but only need one mem error to make system unstable and stop prime runs.....
And, I really want to avoid talking to Asus too!

remember to check the 2 options in advanced in p95 - it will bring out rounding errors - and if you get rounding errors -> Bad RAM basically.

Actually what errors do u get in p95?
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The Noctua fan as mentioned earlier
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You are so right Totally Dubbed about priming it - and that is where I first encountered the problem. I was doing some prime95 stability testing soon after getting the board to verify it had no problems, and prime kept dying no matter what vcore or other settings I'd use.
Like you, I knew something was not right if I can't prime, so I started to test memory right away and found the memtest failures. I'll try auto and see if that works.
No other error since the first one so far this morning with 16GB, so they are close, but only need one mem error to make system unstable and stop prime runs.....
And, I really want to avoid talking to Asus too!

remember to check the 2 options in advanced in p95 - it will bring out rounding errors - and if you get rounding errors -> Bad RAM basically.

Actually what errors do u get in p95?

I was running it blend (default option three). Prime would cause system to reboot as I would come back the next morining and find that the system had rebooted sometime during the night.

Other issue I found, besides the prime failure above, was with IBT intermittently failing no matter the vcore or settings too. So Mem issue was showing itself in both stress tests.

IBT runs fine with 8GB, but have only done short prime runs on the 8GB so far. But these ram on the other board were prime stable (custom blend with 90% mem) for 18+ hours and still pass memtest on it now.

It is worth testing 8GB (A's and B's) with some prime to see if they pass that - but all this memory and prime testing always takes soooo long to do.....and I really just want to play some games! LOL

Ok, back to testing..... frown.gif
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