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well am a bit confused here i waited till all programs is settled and then taken these shots at the same time one program is saying somthing diff : aida 64 showing cpu clock is 1600.0mhz and then cpu-z showing 4600.09mhz this is when no progams running



i also seen on youtube a guy called jj from asus saying that aida64 is better for stress testing than prime95 for the ivy bridge cpu's? who do we believe in? which stress program is the right one to use? which is the right progam for telling the right temps for testing
post #4062 of 6909
0.9v! at 4.6ghz how come when i tryd to do this stress test i was at 1.20 on 4.3ghz and it shut down my pc?
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Originally Posted by morta View Post

sorry me again..this offset dont make any sence so im resorting to manual. would 1.115 volts be a safe start for 4.3 ghz?or can i try lower.if so what is the min resnoble value i could set it to to test. thanks

every each of us got a different chip. So i guess no one can advise the exact amount of CPU Voltage you need to use to have a stable 4.3ghz. But im not telling you that you're wrong, you can actually use that as your initial margin for trial and error. if it boots up, try to run IBT or Prime 95, if it crash down, adjust again by 0.005 add or subtract until you have a stable OS.

Offset setting is desired because, It just lessen or heighten your default CPU voltage through CPU offset voltage, you dont need to change default voltage. It literally act as a "gate valve" of your CPU.
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Originally Posted by Sujeto 1 View Post

Hello guys, trying to know how RELIABLE is the ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 motherboard and how good is their customer RMA service (I hear too many bad stuff about this one). is one on my checklist for a new incoming gaming rig im building. Any techincal issue that forced you to RMA it? Thank you very much.
things i already have>
Case: Storm Enforcer Cooler master
SSD: 512 GB Crucial M4
1 tb Caviar Black
Antec High Current Pro HCP-850W

Like how totally dubbed describe ASUS CS or RMA service, they are the worst. But lucky for me coz ive been using Asus brand since i got my first laptop and never had a problem. That is enough for me to trust this brand so i got this board. I guess my luck is still on this brand coz i never experience any fault with my board. Just my plain experience no fanboy comment.

also: we got Asus service center few minutes away from my place, so i think ill never have a problem with this board. (hope so)
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Originally Posted by chillidog View Post

did some overclocking on the 3750k got it at 4.6 with 1.32v with temps max out at 75 on one core others at 70oc.. this was with a offset of 0.020.
stress test with aida64 for 1 1/2 hrs ( is that long enough)? is it worth just uping the multiplier to 47 leaving the voltage at 1.32v as it is?
can anyone give their veiws on this pls

8hrs of stress test are the standard and 1 1/2 hrs is way below the standard. If you're on 4.6ghz with 1.32v and is stable with a temperature not exceeding 80c then you're ok. I suggest you use Prime95 or Intel Burn test for stress test. Those application will stress and push your chip to the limit in exchange for accurate result. The only reason your chip will be damage using those application is if you got a bad cpu cooler, not properly seated, no thermal paste or not properly applied and your CPU runs hot enough to burn it. So running test even on stock is necessary.

You can determine that you have a properly seated and working perfectly cooler if your CPU temp is close enough or just few Celsius ahead of your room temp. in exemption of course with below zero coolers biggrin.gif .
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Originally Posted by spawn10459 View Post

Guys i have an update.
I reformated and slowly installed ASUS drivers. apperently some of the drivers are bad and was causing my cmputer to crash.
the rader app was the first one i ran into that casued games to crash.

you can remove and uninstall all asus applications except for necessary drivers. i didn't find them necessary to be honest.

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well am a bit confused here i waited till all programs is settled and then taken these shots at the same time one program is saying somthing diff : aida 64 showing cpu clock is 1600.0mhz and then cpu-z showing 4600.09mhz this is when no progams running

i also seen on youtube a guy called jj from asus saying that aida64 is better for stress testing than prime95 for the ivy bridge cpu's? who do we believe in? which stress program is the right one to use? which is the right progam for telling the right temps for testing

CPU-Z generally tells you your cpu speed on full load, or its capacity. Meaning that your CPU can run 4.6ghz at full speed.
Now with aida 64, it is telling you your CPU running speed in real time. Meaning your CPU's current speed. Possible that it is running with just 5% or less load so very reasonable that you can only see 1600mhz instead of full load speed of 4.6ghz.

Now regarding on which application you will be using on stress test. There are applications that will 100% stress your hardware without exemption or rule, that is a hundred percent you can get accurate result. Some application or "safer" application can stress you CPU to a certain level, once exceeded itll prompt you to discontinue the test even without reaching you hardware's full potential. result can be different from what you should be expecting.

Also, you can try to update your bios. the latest bios upto now is 1708

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Originally Posted by morta View Post

0.9v! at 4.6ghz how come when i tryd to do this stress test i was at 1.20 on 4.3ghz and it shut down my pc?

The only reason your pc will shut down, hangs up, crash or BSOD during stress test is because you're CPU voltage is not supplying enough power to compensate with the load. Solution is to increase your CPU voltage, rerun test, if system still crashing, do the cycle again till it becomes stable.
Also other things to consider is your DRAM voltage, and temperature..
If you over clock and add some value on your CPU voltage, you should do that also on your Dram voltage and GPU (tho i find GPU to be optional, depends on your card).

0.9v at 4.6ghz? i guess this is just the result of cpuid? cpu-z? 0.9v is the lowest value that a CPU can run at full stock under load. So i guess you just over look that value.
Edited by SpEaKeRb0xXx - 1/1/13 at 9:57pm
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I dont want to overclock my ram as its at its stock setting allready witch is 1600mhz . as for my GPU its a 7970 vapor x .so i guess aplying more cpu volt is all i have to do right?i still dont get the offset. so i use manual. allso when thay say max volts that shoud be used within safe limits. dose that refer to the value u set in bios..or is it refering to the max load? beacuse when i booted into windows on auto settings but adjusting the turbo clock to 44 i was getting a value of 1.42 in HWM under max. and from what i gather 1.5 is the absoult max voltage within safe limits..but lookin at the youtube video i posted earlyer regarding aida64 thay state u shouldent go over 1.35 i would of thought 4.4 is a small overclock and dosent need so much voltage. do i just have a bad chip??
Edited by morta - 1/1/13 at 10:28pm
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Guys I Am Facing this problem from start...

M getting a shutdown issue..
as i click the shutdown option , it goes in sleep mode...
Iz there any bios settings which iz causing this problem ??
or My mobo iz faulty ??
Plzz reply guys...


See this video ull understant better(PLZZ ignore the snoring Noice .. As My bro Was Sleeping while recording tongue.gif ) --->>
Power Settings-->>



Guys Help Plzz
Edited by Am3Y - 1/1/13 at 10:52pm
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thanks but i allready looked at these. i understand the process needed to overclock i just cant get my head around how this offset mode is sapost to works with my bios its doing my head in and i would prefer to do it this way as its sapost to be the preferd method. but it just dosent make any sence. all i want to do is keep the defult clock speed 3.5 and just incress the turbo clock to 44 keepig the offset on -0.005 to start with..but its not working propelry beacuse if i load defults and look in the montering tab the cpu voltage is at 0.984<< im guessing thats stock for this motherbord. and when i go into windows the vcore gose higher then this value BUT if i try to change the turbo clock from auto to 40 and keep the offset on - 0.005 the cpu voltage in the montering tab has changed from 0.984 to 1.038 and when in windows im gettin a higher vcore around 1.2 and when when i tyd 44 on the turbo beffor. it was at 1.42vcore max in hardware mointer..thats stupidly high. iv read around online about the i5 3570k and u should be able to get 4.2/4.3ghz on stock voltage. how am i spaost to keep stock voltage using the offset mode when i up the turbo? thats what i dont understand. im about to give up with offset and just go with manual since its the only way i can get a solid voltage when i adjust the turbo clock
To get correct stock voltage at stock frequency, run stress test program such as Intel Burn Test or AIDA64. Only need to run them less than a minute to get the correct VCORE when under load. I prefer CPU-Z when checking VCORE.

If the offset -0.005 still giving high VCORE, you can try lowering it to -0.010, -0.015 & so on. Every time you change the offset, run a quick stress test using IBT & write down the VCORE. Continue reducing the offset until your computer not stable when running IBT or any stress test program. Then set to last stable offset & run longer stress test program to see if your computer really stable at that offset. Not all chips are the same, some need higher voltage than other to run stable at the same frequency.

Prime95 shouldn't damage your computer. Intel put several safety features in their CPUs which can prevent the CPU from damage, such as PROCHOT# & THERMTRIP#. For example, if the temperature is too high, PROCHOT# signal will be engaged & CPU will throttling down until the temperature in safe range again. If somehow temperature still climbing too high, THERMTRIP# signal will be activated in which the CPU will stop all execution (i.e. shutdown) to prevent catastrophic overheating. You can check in Intel datasheet, they set THERMTRIP# to 130C. TJmax for 3570k is 105C which means if the CPU running according to Intel specification, it will not throttling when under load as long as the temperature is less than 105C. The only thing I can think off right now that can kill a CPU is voltage too high or you have crappy PSU with low quality components. I've seen CPUs killed when voltage is too high. Crappy PSU can blow when push to their rated wattage & at the same time may killed the motherboard and other components too. If you have good quality PSU then there is nothing to worry about.

If you don't want to run Prime95, IBT & AIDA64 should be good alternative. And yes, AIDA64 is recommended than Prime95 since the first generation Intel Core i processors because it test specific function (in the CPU) that Prime95 doesn't touch. Well at least that what I read....
Edited by kizwan - 1/1/13 at 11:07pm
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post #4067 of 6909
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Originally Posted by morta View Post

I dont want to overclock my ram as its at its stock setting allready witch is 1600mhz . as for my GPU its a 7970 vapor x .so i guess aplying more cpu volt is all i have to do right?i still dont get the offset. so i use manual. allso when thay say max volts that shoud be used within safe limits. dose that refer to the value u set in bios..or is it refering to the max load? beacuse when i booted into windows on auto settings but adjusting the turbo clock to 44 i was getting a value of 1.42 in HWM under max. and from what i gather 1.5 is the absoult max voltage within safe limits..but lookin at the youtube video i posted earlyer regarding aida64 thay state u shouldent go over 1.35 i would of thought 4.4 is a small overclock and dosent need so much voltage. do i just have a bad chip??



Yes, try to increase your CPU voltage, don't lose hope, normally if a system successfully boots up, you are just +0.020 CPU voltage away from your current configuration that crashes to be stable. So try to increase your CPU voltage with 0.005 increment.

No, we have the same chip and we both have the standard chip. i can reach 4.5 ghz with 1.42v CPU voltage while others can do 4.5ghz with just 1.22v. So i stay at 4.2ghz under 1.22v with 64c max temp on full load and its stable. That's enough for me coz 4.2ghz is a decent OC already.

You shouldn't go over 1.5 CPU VOLTAGE or you shouldn't even go near to that value just to be safe. If your current configuration is giving you value that is close to 1.5v try to lessen your multiplier or lessen your OC.

Alright, with regards to your ram. What "DRAM voltage" is it running? look at the digits before the "auto" box.
Is it 1.5xx volt? That is the standard. If thats the case then you dont need to change anything, what im saying is if its lesser than 1.5v you can try to manually set it to 1.5v. Remember that if you added some value to your CPU,you should also do that to your DRAM. Just to make sure that your problem is not caused by your under voltage ram. But if you manage to solve your problem without changing your DRAM, then its fine.

Also, you don't need to change your Memory Frequency to OC your RAM. Just adjust DRAM voltage.

Good luck on your fine tuning thumb.gif
Edited by SpEaKeRb0xXx - 1/1/13 at 11:23pm
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well im going on what iv researchd online and it said prime 95 can damage the cpu. aida64 is the recomend strees software from intel .and asus i would rather be safe the sorry incase this is true. considering im not an expert the last thing i want to do is damage my chip. watch this video and skip to 3:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mkGQhE1o2w

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well am a bit confused here i waited till all programs is settled and then taken these shots at the same time one program is saying somthing diff : aida 64 showing cpu clock is 1600.0mhz and then cpu-z showing 4600.09mhz this is when no progams running

i also seen on youtube a guy called jj from asus saying that aida64 is better for stress testing than prime95 for the ivy bridge cpu's? who do we believe in? which stress program is the right one to use? which is the right progam for telling the right temps for testing

Well the lads above me pretty much sum everything up.
I'm telling you how to get stable and how to properly test it.
No program will damage your chip, unless you aren't cooling it properly. Yet another sign of asus being idiots - this time publicly.
If you want a stable oc, you should run it through a stressful test. If you want a casual test, and be unstable, then go ahead for it.

Long story short: do as you please, but my advice and a lot of people on this forums, who have actually overcloked their systems, unlike that asus guy, will tell you p95 is the application to use.

I also just looked at the video, and just at that bit, even though the guy means good, he is realistically saying you'll never pass 4.8ghz of an oc, as you don't want to go over that voltage. If you look here, you'll see a few people going over, and having no problems - again they have insane cooling.

As for the power thing, and cpu draw - that's based on Windows power options.
Set that to high performance and you won't have that downclocking.
Edited by Totally Dubbed - 1/2/13 at 2:37am
post #4069 of 6909
ok my ram is running at 1.55 you say if i can boot into windows at a sertin voltage it meens im not far from being stable ..but this is what i dont understand on my sabertooth bord and why using the offset method to overclock scars me beacuse i tested using the auto on the bord but just changing the turbo to 40 and the offset to -0.005 .and when i do this it boots into windows and gives me max vcore on 1.2 without stress test software..so why is it that i managed to boot into windows on manule mode with a voltage of 1.12 and survived aida64 for 2 1/2 hours..1.12 on manual and 1.2 on autof with offset is a big incress in voltage. lets say i wanted to try and boot into windows at 4.5ghz using the offset method...how am i gona no if its safe or not if it dosent tell me in bios what voltage its going to set itself to. so far manual seems the only safe way i can test overclockin beacuse of this.
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8hrs of stress test are the standard and 1 1/2 hrs is way below the standard. If you're on 4.6ghz with 1.32v and is stable with a temperature not exceeding 80c then you're ok. I suggest you use Prime95 or Intel Burn test for stress test. Those application will stress and push your chip to the limit in exchange for accurate result. The only reason your chip will be damage using those application is if you got a bad cpu cooler, not properly seated, no thermal paste or not properly applied and your CPU runs hot enough to burn it. So running test even on stock is necessary.
You can determine that you have a properly seated and working perfectly cooler if your CPU temp is close enough or just few Celsius ahead of your room temp. in exemption of course with below zero coolers biggrin.gif .
you can remove and uninstall all asus applications except for necessary drivers. i didn't find them necessary to be honest.
CPU-Z generally tells you your cpu speed on full load, or its capacity. Meaning that your CPU can run 4.6ghz at full speed.
Now with aida 64, it is telling you your CPU running speed in real time. Meaning your CPU's current speed. Possible that it is running with just 5% or less load so very reasonable that you can only see 1600mhz instead of full load speed of 4.6ghz.
Now regarding on which application you will be using on stress test. There are applications that will 100% stress your hardware without exemption or rule, that is a hundred percent you can get accurate result. Some application or "safer" application can stress you CPU to a certain level, once exceeded itll prompt you to discontinue the test even without reaching you hardware's full potential. result can be different from what you should be expecting.
Also, you can try to update your bios. the latest bios upto now is 1708

what am trying to say is that even with aida64 not turned on or any other program just cpu-z with nothing running in the back ground it still shows the core speed at 4600mhz and the vcore at 0.944.for some reason core speed not ramping down
is this some sort of a glitch/bug in cpu-z software.
my overclocking set is by following your guilde with some minor adjustments and also the bios is up to date.

but just aida 64 running the vcore and the multipleirs will ramp up and down i hope you can see where am coming from
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