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It's a shame. I was looking at getting this laptop if it happened to be any good. The sad part is that there's nothing in the 13" to 14" range that I can find that's more powerful than the 470p.

the new M14x is stronger with the 650M


if you're talking about 2 months ago ( = excluding new M14x), you are correct, and there really shouldn't be anything stronger, because 15" is the beginning of the gaming laptop category, not 13", not 14", Y470p having what it had was exceptionally good.

now, the y480 is just....I feel embarassed for being hyped up for so long
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Guys, there's an easy solution, just get a faster 14" laptop that weighs less than 5 pounds. We don't really know why Lenovo isn't using at least a Kepler 640M, but at this point it's fair to say the 600M line is a cluster-f . Like ok, there are TWO 640M LE cores, one Kepler, one Fermi. Nvidia is getting extremely out of hand. The reality is that Intel put out a pretty meh line for mainstream mobile (all the i7-36XXQM CPUs should have a 35W TDP, no excuse), and Nvidia did as well (660M is maybe 10-15% faster than the 560M, cute for a tweaked architecture, absurd for a new die shrink + arch). AMD will step in and save the mobile line, maybe Lenovo will convert to predominantly AMD graphics like Apple, Samsung, HP, and Sony.
 
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Guys, there's an easy solution, just get a faster 14" laptop that weighs less than 5 pounds. We don't really know why Lenovo isn't using at least a Kepler 640M, but at this point it's fair to say the 600M line is a cluster-f . Like ok, there are TWO 640M LE cores, one Kepler, one Fermi. Nvidia is getting extremely out of hand. The reality is that Intel put out a pretty meh line for mainstream mobile (all the i7-36XXQM CPUs should have a 35W TDP, no excuse), and Nvidia did as well (660M is maybe 10-15% faster than the 560M, cute for a tweaked architecture, absurd for a new die shrink + arch). AMD will step in and save the mobile line, maybe Lenovo will convert to predominantly AMD graphics like Apple, Samsung, HP, and Sony.
Three things:
1. Nvidia will continue to hold the mobile market with Optimus until AMD can compete in battery life.
2. Find a faster 14" laptop under five pounds, I wish you the best of luck. The only remotely competitive 14" is the m14x and it weighs over six pounds. The 13" - 14" gaming laptop is nearly nonexistent.
3. The 650M is faster than the 560M. The 660M is a good bit faster than that.
Edited by hermitmaster - 5/8/12 at 10:22am
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Yea I think it is just a supply issue of the Keplers. Also, I bet with the popularity of the Y470/570, they have some leftovers they need to get rid of. Either way, there are not many laptops this small that can game. Sager has their NP6110 which is an 11" w/ the 650m, but that is about it. I think 11" is too small, but I'd rock it.
   
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the new M14x is stronger with the 650M
if you're talking about 2 months ago ( = excluding new M14x), you are correct, and there really shouldn't be anything stronger, because 15" is the beginning of the gaming laptop category, not 13", not 14", Y470p having what it had was exceptionally good.
now, the y480 is just....I feel embarassed for being hyped up for so long

Sorry, I meant in my price range (around $900). What's funny is that Sager just released an 11 inch laptop with a 650m that'll play Battlefield on high at around 50FPS. And it's only $820 (Without OS and only SB i5, but I have no problem with either thing). I might just go ahead and get that. Is 13-14 inches really that niche for gaming?
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Yea I think it is just a supply issue of the Keplers. Also, I bet with the popularity of the Y470/570, they have some leftovers they need to get rid of. Either way, there are not many laptops this small that can game. Sager has their NP6110 which is an 11" w/ the 650m, but that is about it. I think 11" is too small, but I'd rock it.

Maybe. Problem is that once specs for a model is set, it's not going to be changed even if supply for new gen comes back to normal and the old model is sold out. It's either they introduce a new y480p so that they could have new specs, or we are stuck seeing this y480 crap.

I dont know, the reason I pick 14" is because i have a 15" dell vostro, I used to take it to school pretty often and its pretty heavy beyond the 10 min mark. Wonder why 14" and 15" can have more than 1 pound of weight difference huh

and then 11" is just too small for gaming. 14" is kind of small too, but I am willing to tolerate it for the weight loss from that 1". Just felt 14" and ~4.xx lbs is the golden ratio for me. At least what I want to try the most anyway


3 inch difference is a lot



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Sorry, I meant in my price range (around $900). What's funny is that Sager just released an 11 inch laptop with a 650m that'll play Battlefield on high at around 50FPS. And it's only $820 (Without OS and only SB i5, but I have no problem with either thing). I might just go ahead and get that. Is 13-14 inches really that niche for gaming?

ya, I didnt even know sager has something like that out on the field (as no one should really expect something like this until they see it, right?)

without OS is bad for me and the weaker cpu also *kind of* proves that its not worth it for me at the moment, but I dont deny that it's at least an equally good choice comparing to the y480
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Three things:
1. Nvidia will continue to hold the mobile market with Optimus until AMD can compete in battery life.
2. Find a faster 14" laptop under five pounds, I wish you the best of luck. The only remotely competitive 14" is the m14x and it weighs over six pounds. The 13" - 14" gaming laptop is nearly nonexistent.
3. The 650M is faster than the 560M. The 660M is a good bit faster than that.

1. Nvidia is strong in mobile, but AMD already had switchable graphics. AMD Enduro is their new system; whether it's actually different from just plain old switchable graphics or not, we'll have to wait for reviews. Market share is going to tip in AMD's favor if Nvidia continues to short-change their customers in terms of GPUs.
2. Exactly my point, there is no competition. Lenovo could've done better. It's the real world, stuff happens. They'll probably release a Y480p, an AMD model in a few months - the Y460 and Y470 both had an AMD version / "p" model, so the chances are pretty high.
3. The 670M is only 20-25% faster than the 560M. The 660M can overclock to 670M levels (max OC v max OC is pretty close from what I've seen). It doesn't take a thorough analysis to realize Nvidia gimped their whole mobile line. The 680M might have some promise, but AMD's 7900M line should be uncontested on 28nm. Recall that AMD's 6990M AND 6970M are faster than the Nvidia 570M, that was when Nvidia put some effort into their line. 7970M blowing away every mobile GPU, only 20%ish behind a 7870 (meaning many will overclock to desktop 6970 performance.), 7950M being the 6970M replacement.. Nvidia's in for a reality check). At the very least, 670M and 675M will look like junk next to the 7900M's. According to Notebookcheck.net, the 7870M will be close to the 570M (maybe it'll tie a 660M at stock). And going down the line.. the 7750M is supposed to be faster than the Kepler 640M.

Also, the 650M is roughly tied with the 560M in most games.

Basically, I'm not saying any given Kepler mobile card is junk. The lineup is a mess, it's clearly gimped, and Nvidia is going to have trouble competing, as the 7970M is getting released in about 2-3 weeks.
 
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FYI; its expected that the Y480 will finally get the better mobile kepler GPU's sometime in June....

thread over at notebookreviews: http://forum.notebookreview.com/ideapad-essential/650407-upcoming-y480-y580-series-feat-ivy-bridge-nvidia-graphics.html

go to the latest few pages for information.

Additionally there might be alternatives for those looking for thin and lights (13-14") with good GPU+CPU power
http://forum.notebookreview.com/what-notebook-should-i-buy/659280-lightweight-gaming-13-14-ivb-650m-machines.html
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Clevo has a new 11" with a 650m. I really wish it was 13" or 14" though. 11" is too small, but it shows that lenovo sucks on this one. I would never buy a lenovo anyway, unless I was dedicated to replacing the screen...

Also I have no clue why you would go with m14x. There are 15" out there that are very similar in weight and thinner. Even the 17" series 7 is less than a pound heavier.

5.6 pounds is not acceptable on a 14"
Edited by perfectblade - 5/13/12 at 6:56am
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