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Like I said, nobody can deny with a statement of fact that Germany would have fallen if the US had not of entered the war.

It wasn't until the US started having it's own blood spilled to save a continent that wasn't even theirs that the Germans were put on the retreat. Yes, the USSR and the RAF did such a great job keeping the Germans at bay. They lost Europe to the Germans by themselves. How bad would it have been if the US hadn't of helped them at all? Care to theorize on that?

I dont have to. You just said that "Germany would have fallen if the us HAD NOT entered the war"


Once they stopped attacking British supply systems (i.e. air-bases, ports, etc.) and targeted cities, it was basically game over. They lost their air-power. After that, the RAF could just bomb the Luft. in order to prevent further attacks. While they were doing that, the USSR was just rolling forward (well, after Kursk, anyway), and the Germans didnt HAVE any air power to stop them with (because of previous sentence).

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Germany would not have "likely" lost. If they had held out for much longer it would have been Germany dropping atomic weapons on Britain and Russia. Germany was on the verge of creating their own WMDs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project
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Yes, the US was so war hungry that after developing a weapon beyond the capabilities of any other nation in the world at that time

So, Germany was on the verge of building a nuke, but the US developed a nuke which was "beyond the capabilities of any other nation at the time".
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they accepted the Axis surrender and went home having lost millions of people and gained no land to add to their own. They could have easily kept Japan for themselves.

but...
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My mistake. It wasn't millions of deaths for the US. But that's beside the point.




Also, as the guy after you said, they took less than 1 million casualties - less than 500,000 actually. And while they didnt "gain" any land (it was pointless, colonizations died with WWI), they put military bases EVERYWHERE.

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I love how you compare the US to Germany.
Oh, how so? You have yet to counter any of my points. The US committed War-crimes and were NEVER TRIED; but apparently they were the "good guys". They didn't make any massive (they DID contribute, just not the "epic-solo-win" that you see on TV) contributions to the Western front (It was Europe + USSR that basically won).
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You're a cynical moron and this discussion is over.

See above.
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Politics.
The US could have just nuked the entire country but that would have been inhumane.

Im sure the USSR would have been totally cool with the US nuking their allies.
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Politics.
The US could have just nuked the entire country but that would have been inhumane.

And with Japan it was fine?
Edited by doomlord52 - 4/24/12 at 10:43pm
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Downloading Sniper elite V2 demo from steam now, looks pretty good. smile.gif
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I'm still tired of WW2 games. I'm tired of "realistic" war shooters in general.
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I'm still tired of WW2 games. I'm tired of "realistic" war shooters in general.

Define realistic....
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I'm still tired of WW2 games. I'm tired of "realistic" war shooters in general.

While i love RO2 i kinda agree. Really i miss arena shooters frown.gif Where did the health packs go?
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I dont have to. You just said that "Germany would have fallen if the us HAD NOT entered the war"
Once they stopped attacking British supply systems (i.e. air-bases, ports, etc.) and targeted cities, it was basically game over. They lost their air-power. After that, the RAF could just bomb the Luft. in order to prevent further attacks. While they were doing that, the USSR was just rolling forward (well, after Kursk, anyway), and the Germans didnt HAVE any air power to stop them with (because of previous sentence).
So, Germany was on the verge of building a nuke, but the US developed a nuke which was "beyond the capabilities of any other nation at the time".
but...
Also, as the guy after you said, they took less than 1 million casualties - less than 500,000 actually. And while they didnt "gain" any land (it was pointless, colonizations died with WWI), they put military bases EVERYWHERE.
Oh, how so? You have yet to counter any of my points. The US committed War-crimes and were NEVER TRIED; but apparently they were the "good guys". They didn't make any massive (they DID contribute, just not the "epic-solo-win" that you see on TV) contributions to the Western front (It was Europe + USSR that basically won).
See above.
Im sure the USSR would have been totally cool with the US nuking their allies.
And with Japan it was fine?
IIRC also not taking a side in this argument just stating.
Japan's reasons are completely different. The Japanese and Germans were two entirely different people. The Japanese didn't care about their own lives, rules of war, or respect of their enemy. After sieges of the islands, US command realized the cost it would take to invade japan's mainland. The first idea was to seemingly halt their ability to manufacture materials for war, which technically the US did successfully, problem was breaking their spirit. Which at the time they believed the WMD (coupled with the soviet invasion) would make them realize, it's over. Does that justify it? Well that's entirely opinionated. People tend to think differently, guarantee there were plenty of chinese at the time that didn't bat an eye to the destruction of all that life considering what japan had done in/to china.
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I wouldn't mind some BF 2142 or 2143 since it's a sequel.
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IIRC also not taking a side in this argument just stating.
Japan's reasons are completely different. The Japanese and Germans were two entirely different people. The Japanese didn't care about their own lives, rules of war, or respect of their enemy. After sieges of the islands, US command realized the cost it would take to invade japan's mainland. The first idea was to seemingly halt their ability to manufacture materials for war, which technically the US did successfully, problem was breaking their spirit. Which at the time they believed the WMD (coupled with the soviet invasion) would make them realize, it's over. Does that justify it? Well that's entirely opinionated. People tend to think differently, guarantee there were plenty of chinese at the time that didn't bat an eye to the destruction of all that life considering what japan had done in/to china.

And dont forget pearl harbour was that times equivilent of 9/11, Japan had to pay for that in the eyes of most US citizens.
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IIRC also not taking a side in this argument just stating.
Japan's reasons are completely different. The Japanese and Germans were two entirely different people. The Japanese didn't care about their own lives, rules of war, or respect of their enemy. After sieges of the islands, US command realized the cost it would take to invade japan's mainland. The first idea was to seemingly halt their ability to manufacture materials for war, which technically the US did successfully, problem was breaking their spirit. Which at the time they believed the WMD (coupled with the soviet invasion) would make them realize, it's over. Does that justify it? Well that's entirely opinionated. People tend to think differently, guarantee there were plenty of chinese at the time that didn't bat an eye to the destruction of all that life considering what japan had done in/to china.

Don't waste your time. It's like arguing with a wall. His "opinion" is right and the rest of the world is wrong. He knows more than the rest of the world. Maybe if he had been in the war, or even better yet in a concentration camp, his views wouldn't be so cynical.

I just blocked him.
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Last I checked, almost all RO2 servers was occupied by bots frown.gif Couldn't find a single 32 or 64 server with real people only frown.gif
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