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post #91 of 125
Can we just end the silly argument of of steam vs origin?
Yes people will choose one client over the other but does that really matter?
I chose steam because I have 200+ games on it but if someone would rather use Origin does it matter?

Origin is still in beta and receiving more 3d party games
So the only way we will see if it advances over steam or is a prime competitor is with time
My grip is EA releases more titles then Valve does and makes they make their games exclusive to Origin but are in their right
I mean all valve games use steamworks (same with some Acitivison and TES titles do) and really we need to end terms with a single client and give choice to use one or the other (but doubt we would see that)
But ultamitly Origin isn't that bad and needs time to catch up
So far the best clients I have seen are Steam, Origin, and GoG (not really a client but you should understand)
So far I use Steam for all my games, Origin for BF3, and GoG for old games that aren't on steam

Yes Origin now isn't impressive but it needs to grow like Steam did before we can really pass judgement on it
Will Origin surpass steam, I doubt it, but will it be a strong competitor, possibly

We just need time
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So we can't be supportive of devs that offer DRM free versions of their games while also offering the game on Steam?

I want you to find 1 single person in existence that has ever said "I want this game available on steam... and only steam!"

I'm fine with steams use of DRM and I'm fine with Origins, I just like Steam as a client that much more and I ike Valve as a company more.



It seems like people like GrizzleBoy want to deny the good a service like Steam has done for PC gaming ...
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post #93 of 125
I think the main difference is playability. EA released BF3 on which i have 150 hours. Which is ok i guess. However, Valve released CS:S and 1.6 on way back when...on which i probably have over 4k Hours on each.

Origin is alright WHEN it works. Which actually isn't that often.
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The Valve handbook only shows ONE thing and one thing only: Valve seem like a good company to WORK for. It doesn't show ANYTHING about customer relations or customer experience. Read a Target, Walmart, HMV or GAME handbook; they all preach how customers are their priority and as is their satisfaction. Why is that? Because those people make them money. Steam customer relations is piss poor. There's no contact number. No direct e-mail and their support requests day up to 24 hours to get a reply. That's poor. Anyone who wants to argue with that mustn't care about customer support as much as they claim.

Also, the "Steam or no buy" argument/comment/whatever is just ridiculous. If you're a fan of the series or game in question you'll buy it regardless of the platform. I know some PC gamers who bought a PS3 just to play Metal Gear Solid 4: Sons of the Patriots.

Evidenced by the Dark Souls fracas. Seems that if you don't agree you're an anti-Steam fan or whatever else. Look at the Dark Souls thing. Anyone who's sensible can see how ridiculous and petty that makes everyone on that petition look. Because, if you didn't signed the first petition then what rights do you have to complain about the platform it's on since you weren't that desperate to see a PC release that you signed the petition? And if you did sign the first petition then what did you sign it for if now you're going to suggest you won't buy it because it's not on YOUR chosen platform? It's not about "wanting choice" or "to voice an opinion about an unpopular DRM" because if it was the petition would read "Dear FromSoftware, please also release the game on Steam and Origin alongside whatever other digital online stores you are releasing the game on, the undersigned" instead of the "this is unacceptable, GFWL sucks, we ant it on Steam because for many people we won't buy it otherwise".

Regarding the article, of course Origin is playing catch up because it's barely been out a year and is still in beta. A lot of people didn't like EA pulling their games from Steam and felt like EA were basically baiting them over to their platform... Guess what? They were. Want more? Valve did the same thing with Half Life - it worked.

My only complaint with Origin/EA is that Battlefield 3 has to be run from a web browser and that there's no in-game server browser or option to quit, join another game or start singleplayer. Otherwise, it works remarkably well. I performed a fresh install of Windows several days ago and I had remembered to save ALL my game installers from within the Origin settings. Reinstalling games was fairly easy and didn't have a problem (though I initially feared it would be).
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So we can't be supportive of devs that offer DRM free versions of their games while also offering the game on Steam?
I want you to find 1 single person in existence that has ever said "I want this game available on steam... and only steam!"
I'm fine with steams use of DRM and I'm fine with Origins, I just like Steam as a client that much more and I ike Valve as a company more.
It seems like people like GrizzleBoy want to deny the good a service like Steam has done for PC gaming ...

It seems like people such as yourself need to learn to read.

My beef has nothing to do with Valve in literally anything I've said.

It's only some of the people on this forum I have been voicing my opinion on and how the actions of rabid fanboys can fast track industries into directions that the fans eventually end up regretting. Just as we are now.

People scorned at every kind of DRM that wasn't Steam, because it's methods of DRM were not like Steam. Steam was widely addressed as "acceptable" type of DRM.

Now another company is offering a Steam like DRM that the Valve fans basically validated to the world was of the "acceptable" type and now those same people refuse to accept it based on the fact that it's not Steam.

Like I said, my posts on this subject are hardly ever directly related to the companies, but the way in which certain types of consumer constantly contradict themselves or run around like headless sheep who will spout the latest "in thing" to say till it ends up being regrettable.
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Origin is alright WHEN it works. Which actually isn't that often.

Works fine in my experience.

Long story short: speak for yourself
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 4/24/12 at 3:27am
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The GFWL argument is lame. People aren't up in arms because by utilizing GFWL it means the game wont come to Steam. They're pissed because GFWL is clunky and has given the majority one issue or the other. The fact is that Dark Souls may very well be available on Steam but it'll still use GFWL which is pretty much the worst of the big name clients.
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The GFWL argument is lame. People aren't up in arms because by utilizing GFWL it means the game wont come to Steam. They're pissed because GFWL is clunky and has given the majority one issue or the other. The fact is that Dark Souls may very well be available on Steam but it'll still use GFWL which is pretty much the worst of the big name clients.

The GFWL argument IS lame, you're right. Since it works fine for most people (being that since for every dissatisfied customer voicing his/her opinion, there's another two who are totally happy - economics and business 101). It works fine. Isn't a problem for the majority of people and isn't intrusive like SecuROM or Always-On DRM - yeah the argument against it is lame. Having it on Steam makes it even better because you have Steam support and Valve chasing any issues that might arise from it... since Valve are apparently all about customer satisfaction and all that.

If it was the Assassins Creed DRM or the Crysis Warhead 5 installation (total) limit there'd be grounds to complain but random and obscure reasons are not. Least not at all especially since there was a massive hoorah about porting the game in the first place and now there's a hoorah saying they're not going to buy it. If the company pulled the plug on the port, there'd be even more hoorah. Point is, complaining about it is fine, welcomed and within everyone's right. But refusing to buy the game after petitioning for its release is stupid and gives the wrong sort of message to the industry. The best thing to do would be to say "Hey we know the game is 80% completed and you're into the testing phase, but next time please don't use GFWL because we think it sucks - also, please release it on Steam too because we like buying games from Steam" but instead we have this "wah wah, we're not buying it because my uncles friend couldn't load his offline saves after he'd performed the dance of recovery several times and killed four goats in sacrifice. Also, it's totally available in my country but it's not available in Bahrain and that's a big deal to me. And, I have to install some sort of Voodoo witchery client when I first install and it makes me wait another 5 minutes to play the game.".
Edited by Rubers - 4/24/12 at 4:04am
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The moment they removed EA games from Steam its when Origin picked up.

And that is the moment i stopped buying EA games and have not bought one since.
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The GFWL argument is lame. People aren't up in arms because by utilizing GFWL it means the game wont come to Steam. They're pissed because GFWL is clunky and has given the majority one issue or the other. The fact is that Dark Souls may very well be available on Steam but it'll still use GFWL which is pretty much the worst of the big name clients.

Or it could be like GTA IV where it was released on steam with GFWL. That sucked so much, had to login to 3 different services before I could play the game.
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The GFWL argument is lame. People aren't up in arms because by utilizing GFWL it means the game wont come to Steam. They're pissed because GFWL is clunky and has given the majority one issue or the other. The fact is that Dark Souls may very well be available on Steam but it'll still use GFWL which is pretty much the worst of the big name clients.

Certain people saw one post on it saying that the author wanted Steam instead and ran with it. I personally want a 3rd party one not from a game developer, rather than Steam, Origin, etc (Like Gog.com kinda) but because I started hating on GFWL and Origin, I'm a Steam fanboy. Steam has its issues (Heck, I tried to pause an update before and it didn't pause it until I reopened the client) but it's by far the best out of the current lot.
    
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