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Adobe comes down incredibly hard on businesses when it comes to pirating and they don't do so in the public eye.
If you're a production company and caught pirating by Adobe ~ It's very bad.
So while "everyone and their uncle" may have a pirated copy...Most companies certainly won't risk it, especially those that actually use Adobe professionally...
So, this is actually incorrect...And I, having once been the target of Adobe, strongly disagree that there's no professional consequence.
The 50$/75$ will change the market dramatically...Especially in regards to their market share.

 

I was referring to casual users who pirate, not actual professionals. I've never heard of say...a web design company pirating Master Collection, nor do I think businesses should go out and torrent it. What I meant was, Adobe makes X amount from the professional segment but have an additional segment of casual users who pirate the software, some of whom are put off by the pricing but would pay if it were priced lower, offsetting the lowered cost. PS is indispensable for a lot of things, no other software can come close. GIMP is absolutely godawful, and there is really no viable alternative to it for many people. 

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I was referring to casual users who pirate, not actual professionals. I've never heard of say...a web design company pirating Master Collection, nor do I think businesses should go out and torrent it. What I meant was, Adobe makes X amount from the professional segment but have an additional segment of casual users who pirate the software, some of whom are put off by the pricing but would pay if it were priced lower, offsetting the lowered cost. PS is indispensable for a lot of things, no other software can come close. GIMP is absolutely godawful, and there is really no viable alternative to it for many people. 

This is aimed at Rubers: Try to edit anything PSD related, most of the time GIMP, the free software that emulates Photoshop, can't even edit text in PSD. While it's fine for occasional use, Photoshop is the standard professionals use.
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I was referring to casual users who pirate, not actual professionals. I've never heard of say...a web design company pirating Master Collection, nor do I think businesses should go out and torrent it. What I meant was, Adobe makes X amount from the professional segment but have an additional segment of casual users who pirate the software, some of whom are put off by the pricing but would pay if it were priced lower, offsetting the lowered cost. PS is indispensable for a lot of things, no other software can come close. GIMP is absolutely godawful, and there is really no viable alternative to it for many people. 

...and we already covered this. Adobe sells non-professional versions of their software. Newegg had Photoshop and Premiere Elements 10 for $40 each and bundled for $65 last week.
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I agree with you in that the advancements are amazing with the new product. I also agree that this new option is a welcome door for the little guy to compete with the big guy.

What I don’t agree with you is my opinion that they create a perceived value of their product. Perception my friend can be defined differently from one person to another and the one thing I hate about our community is the sense that we have to lambast anyone that has an opinion that goes against our own. Who made you the know all be all of software perception? Why if I like one product over another do I have to be raked over the coals for that decision?

I just don’t like the fact that we are told that we have to have this or that because of the perception that we have to have this or that to do anything of use.
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DuckieHo = the voice of reason in a sea of chaos... mindnumbing dumb statements coming out of one's rear end.

fixed for accuracy. Most people in here need to grasp reality and a business 101 class.
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@ DuckiHo
I agree with you in that the advancements are amazing with the new product. I also agree that this new option is a welcome door for the little guy to compete with the big guy.
What I don’t agree with you is my opinion that they create a perceived value of their product. Perception my friend can be defined differently from one person to another and the one thing I hate about our community is the sense that we have to lambast anyone that has an opinion that goes against our own. Who made you the know all be all of software perception? Why if I like one product over another do I have to be raked over the coals for that decision?
I just don’t like the fact that we are told that we have to have this or that because of the perception that we have to have this or that to do anything of use.

No offense but, what else are you going to use?

I'm not trying to justify their pricing but, the cost to develop that product is a lot of money.

So, how do you gauge something, cost-wise that's irreplaceable?

Personally, having to recently pay a programmer to design a product for me, let me be the first to tell you, 2600$ for the full suite of Adobe, is beyond reasonable.

When you look at cost/point and what you're getting, it's within reason.

If they charged 5,000$ for the same product, businesses would pay it, that's the bottom line...Which, is why this "rental" fee is very important.

Now, to the laymen business, you can have a product for 50$/75$ a month and ditch Quark//Whatever you were using previously.

In terms of market share and getting people permanently attached to Adobe, they couldn't have come up with a better strategy.

They already have a monopoly on the design market...Creating anything else would be ridiculously cost-inefficient...And you'd ultimately lose, that's just how popular Adobe is.

Quite frankly, if I was Adobe, I'd be charging more just based on their development costs.
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I find all these photoshop is only worth $59.99 comments really silly... Creative suite isn't targeted at consumers, It's a business program. Programs for businesses tend to cost a lot more.
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@ DuckiHo
I agree with you in that the advancements are amazing with the new product. I also agree that this new option is a welcome door for the little guy to compete with the big guy.
What I don’t agree with you is my opinion that they create a perceived value of their product. Perception my friend can be defined differently from one person to another and the one thing I hate about our community is the sense that we have to lambast anyone that has an opinion that goes against our own. Who made you the know all be all of software perception? Why if I like one product over another do I have to be raked over the coals for that decision?
I just don’t like the fact that we are told that we have to have this or that because of the perception that we have to have this or that to do anything of use.

The thing is... you have your perceptions and opinions but do you have all the data points and knowledge? First, the markets have already spoken and reality is that Adobe is king. This is not a philosophical or hypothetical discussion because you can go out today and see how things are. Adobe is the standard.

When people talk about things being "too expensive" or "not worth it", they need to understand context. I have a degree in Economics and I assume the people pricing software do as well. The opinion of users who do not understand how industry works, how economics works, or how development works.... they simply do not carry much weight because their conclusions are based on incomplete data.

I wonder how much Adobe spent on this new deblur feature.... the amount of image processing and math involved blows my mind. I understand how they did it... I cannot know how they did it. The number of PhDs and developers working on that feature probably cost quite a bit... I'm taking a wild guess of $500K to $2M?
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...and we already covered this. Adobe sells non-professional versions of their software. Newegg had Photoshop and Premiere Elements 10 for $40 each and bundled for $65 last week.

 

What about a bundle that includes PS, Flash, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, After Effects and Premiere Pro?

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What about a bundle that includes PS, Flash, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, After Effects and Premiere Pro?

premiere elements is the consumer version of premiere.... After effects isn't something casual users tend to dabble in either. Dreamweaver isn't that special imo, there's a bunch of consumer Web design products that do just fine.
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