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Poll Results: Who Would You Choose Between the 3?

 
  • 26% (6)
    ASrock Z77 Professional-M
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    Gigabyte G1.Sniper M3
  • 39% (9)
    ASUS P8Z77-M PRO
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post #21 of 40
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Originally Posted by Sin0822 View Post

i apologize but the other boards have the same layout, beucase that is the only way you can have proper slot placement, and you forget that most people who buy boards like this buy them because they are much cheaper than the bigger counterparts, and don't actually use mATX cases. if you use an mATX case, you really think you can fit SLI or CF in there? and let me breathe?

To say that ASUS and Gigabyte honestly made these mATX boards because they intended people to put them in ATX cases is just silly. They would have done what ASRock did and just make a budget ROG or G1 ATX board. I see more people with the Maximus GENE series board in mATX cases... only a handful put them in ATX cases.

And yes, you can fit SLI/CFX in a mATX case... want me to prove it? There's an entire sub-forum dedicated to SFF computers. Ya know they do make some really good quality mATX boards that provide plenty of airflow, right?

Oh, and of course the boards have the same layout, but the Gigabyte still derped on the assignments for the PCI lanes if someone is intending to use the mATX board in a mATX case and SLI/Crossfire (like the board was originally designed to be used for).
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post #22 of 40
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I've narrowed my choice between the ASUS P8Z77-M Pro & the Sniper M3. I'll be placing my order by the end of next week. I like both mobos...I'm taking time to compare the UEFI Bios before making my final decision thumb.gif

I'm curious as to why you decided the the Asrock fatal1ty was out of the running?
It appears to have better LAN and audio chips than the P8Z77-M PRO
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I've decided to ditch all 3 of these mobos for the Gigabyte Z77MX-D3H wheee.gif Although it has a 4+2 power phase & a 4-pin ATX_12v connecter, this little fella can OC good enough to satisfy my desire (click for review) thumb.gif

I really enjoy spending less to get a big bang from building a rig biggrin.gif
post #24 of 40
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I've decided to ditch all 3 of these mobos for the Gigabyte Z77MX-D3H wheee.gif Although it has a 4+2 power phase & a 4-pin ATX_12v connecter, this little fella can OC good enough to satisfy my desire (click for review) thumb.gif
I really enjoy spending less to get a big bang from building a rig biggrin.gif

Not a bad choice. A 4+2 Phase and 4-pin power really is fine for SB/Ivy Bridge... anything more would be for L2N or really high overclocking. thumb.gif

Sin0822 demonstrated that 4-pin power is pretty sufficient still... heck, I had a TA890GXE motherboard on the AMD side and it was proven to OC a Phenom II X6 to 4.2 on a 4+1 phase and 4pin power... It's all about part quality.
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post #25 of 40
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Not a bad choice. A 4+2 Phase and 4-pin power really is fine for SB/Ivy Bridge...

Thanks thumb.gif I'll be going to MC tomorrow to pick-up the "Little Blue" mobo & I'll order my mATX case & G.Skill ARES ram from NewEgg before the sale is over this week biggrin.gif
post #26 of 40
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To say that ASUS and Gigabyte honestly made these mATX boards because they intended people to put them in ATX cases is just silly. They would have done what ASRock did and just make a budget ROG or G1 ATX board. I see more people with the Maximus GENE series board in mATX cases... only a handful put them in ATX cases.
And yes, you can fit SLI/CFX in a mATX case... want me to prove it? There's an entire sub-forum dedicated to SFF computers. Ya know they do make some really good quality mATX boards that provide plenty of airflow, right?
Oh, and of course the boards have the same layout, but the Gigabyte still derped on the assignments for the PCI lanes if someone is intending to use the mATX board in a mATX case and SLI/Crossfire (like the board was originally designed to be used for).

All three boards which are in the OP listed have the same PCI allotment, so IDK what you are talking about.

Second of all I guess you don't really understand the market then smile.gif

The ROG M5G is designed for LN2 benching for god sakes.
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post #27 of 40
Past P8-M boards have had really crummy voltage regulation (not dangerous or anything, but the fluctuation was pretty bad). I don't have anything on the Z77 version, but the P67 version was rather poor.

Either go Gene or skip asus here.

That's all I have to add.
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post #28 of 40
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All three boards which are in the OP listed have the same PCI allotment, so IDK what you are talking about.
Second of all I guess you don't really understand the market then smile.gif
The ROG M5G is designed for LN2 benching for god sakes.

I believe he is talking about the PCIe 3.0 slots as the Gigabyte board has PCIe3 > PCI > PCIe2 > PCIe3
Then the other boards have PCIe3 > PCI > PCIe3 > PCIe2 and would fit an SLI/Xfire setup easier as the PCIe3 slot isnt the very bottom one in the case
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All three boards which are in the OP listed have the same PCI allotment, so IDK what you are talking about.
Second of all I guess you don't really understand the market then smile.gif
The ROG M5G is designed for LN2 benching for god sakes.

You don't like to read, do you?

I'll try to type this in the most dumbed down English I can.

Ok, the physical locations of the slots are the same.

The First Slot is PCI-E 3.0 x16... Good for a video card
The Second Slot is PCI-E 2.0 x1.... Good for nothing because the single card will probably block that slot unless its a single slot cooler card, or one that does not have a big heatsink on it.
The Third Slot is PCI-E 2.0 x4... Generally this is where a second video card would be plugged in for gaming mATX set ups. But since it's an x4 lane, it is only good for Crossfire and useless for PCI-E 3.0
The Fourth slot is PCI-E 3.0 x8... This is where the video card would go on the Sniper. But since the majority of mATX cases do not have a 5th expansion slot, it renders it useless for two slot video cards.

Also, if the M5G was designed for LN2 benching then it wouldn't be marketed as Republic of Gamers, it would be Republic of LN2 benchers.

I guess you don't really understand common sense then. smile.gif

As you can see, bad things happen when someone blindly supports a company without thinking things through, and say 'hey they may have made a mistake'.

Below is a visual in case you still can't understand what I'm trying to say.
visualaidforthementalyl.jpg

Oh, and just because you LN2 bench or whatever you do, doesn't mean that everyone who buys this board will. The majority of us do not use LN2.
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post #30 of 40
I am aware of how the PCI-E is laid out on the M3, I just saw the other two boards in question and theirs are different than the M3 and I am sorry, you are correct the M3 has a different configuration. I thought tha the other two initial boards listed in the poll had the same PCI-E allotment, but they do not. However that doesn't make the Sniper M3 worthless or wrong, let me explain.

FYI I am supporting the M3 because first of all I have actually used the board and tested it. With Z68 i told users to get the M4G, even when they didn't want mATX.

You are right the other board's don't have layout the PCI-E like the M3.

But just to we are clear, this is the user guide for the M5G:
http://www.datafilehost.com/download-1636169b.html
Nothing at all about gaming in there:
http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1659

FYi shammy works for ASUS, he is an OCer and works exclusively on the ROG series, which might not be clear through its name is made for both gamers and extreme overclockers.

Can you tell me if the M5G isn't made for extreme OC then why it is the only ASUS Z77 to have Ln2 mode jumper? Why does it have voltage read points? Why does it have memory profiles for extreme memory OC?
So the first sentence in that guide: "Even though M5G’s main focus is at Building Compact Gaming Machines, it is also ideal for the Extreme Overclocking Community"

So first page of that M5G OC guide has 3 profiles in the picture, the first is a gamer OC profiles, the other two are two different LN2 OC profiles.

THere are a TON of people who buy the Maximus Gene series if not ONLY because it is a ROG board which means it has superior OC, but ALSO because it is cheaper. There is no way you can get a ROG board for under $200 unless it is a Gene, and to be honest that is why so many people buy the Gene ROG board, not because of its size, but because of its price. Why would you want a normal ASUS board when you could budget a ROG board which is a bit smaller than full size?

That is something these companies just realized, that the mATX board's aren't always for mATX, instead a lot of users have started buying them to OC. Otherwise why the heck would ASUS put any of those OC features on an mATX board?

I actually have the M3, that is why i support it, you don't have either of these boards. Sure the M3 wont support SLI in an mATX case, but it will support triple slotted GPUs in a full ATX case, that is what gigabyte had in mind when designing it. You might be right about the fact that the M3's PCI-E design wont allow good multi-GPU configuration in an mATX case, but you forget the fact that GIGABYTE doesn't do what everyone else does. When they do something they tend to do it a bit differently to hit markets that aren't well tapped into. In the case of the M3 they figured they would be able to market well to the mATX people because of a cheap price and the audio and color, and then they would also be able to tap into users who don't use an mATX board in an mATX case, and that number would surprise you. Like every big corporation they take risks, and see if there are rewards. Don't just assume that because you think it doesn't make sense that a multi million dollar company would just make a major layout "mistake" on one of their top series of boards.

Here was their plan from my view point: First they have established their G1 series, the sales of the G1 series I am guessing has done much better than they expected. They used a color that no one else used(green and black) and they didn't copy ASUS like ASRock and others do with red and black. if you haven't noticed if red and black was the only way to do it, then why is GB still alive and doesn't have one red and black board? Second GIGABYTE integrated an audio card and a NIC onto the board. They souped up the audio on the board, added a new card. Then now all of a sudden you have ASUS trying to do the same thing (soup up audio) because the G1 did very well with it. Now GB noticed the Gene was doing well in a market not previously for-seen; the users who buy the gene because it is a cheap ROG board and not because it is a mATX board. So GB went and made their own G1 mATX board, as a cheaper G1 series board, much cheaper than they could sell a G1 Guerrilla 3. These are all sales decisions. So now GB released their mATX board to test and see how many users want mATX, but also equally tapping into the ATX community's need for boards with the same top features but cheaper price.

The way I see it, mATX Gene and others can all do 2 way SLI in mATX(except M3 in most cases), but none of them can do SLI with two triple slotted GPUs. So GB figured they would take that market. Just like with AMD 990FX chipset, the 990FXA-UD7 is the only board that can do 4-way SLI. Perhaps some sales decision was made where GB calculated that they would make more money with this configuration.

Also if you ask my personal opinion, for extreme OC I would take the Maximus 5 Gene over the Sniper M3, for gaming I would take the M3 over the M5G, and for all around daily OCer and gamer id pick the M3.

BTW poke your head into XS forums, you will see tons of guys using M5G for LN2 alone as it is the only ROG board, and no other Z77 ASUS board has any of the OC features and OC profiles the M5G has for Ln2 and extreme memory tweaking. . You will see on HWBot that many of the users will use the M5G instead of the other ASUS boards for their submissions once bencher actually buy the M5G.
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