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4/23/12 at 11:19pm
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Originally Posted by dr/owned View Post

Intel already has Xeon 8C/16T and my money is on Haswell being 6C/12T. Consumers just don't need 10 cores right now, something AMD doesn't seem to understand. What do you do that would scale with more cores that isn't gpgpu enabled already?

Chances are Haswell will be 4/8t and 6c/12t for the extreme model. They'll make sure you pay extra for the extra threads too... don't expect them to come cheap.

Oh and those Xeon's you mentioned... yea they get Bulldozed, Piledriven, and Steamrolled by AMD's Opterons.
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4/23/12 at 11:23pm
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That's fine, and AMD has 12-core Opterons. As for what needs more cores, rendering in any 3D content creation (3D movies like Toy Story, or rendering CAD models).

As for Haswell, nope, it's 4C/8T. Intel isn't a charitable foundation, they'd much rather sell their 6-cores for $600-1000 until AMD matches their multi-threaded performance with Steamroller. http://www.slashgear.com/intel-haswell-shark-bay-detailed-ahead-of-2013-debut-10194496/ 50% faster graphics, slightly bigger die. There's no room for another 2 cores plus an IGP. Maybe Skymont will have mainstream 6-core.

And therein lies an issue. If the only way to justify 8+ cores is to have to be doing something like rendering a movie, then at that point how is that "consumer"? At that level I imagine you could do a "spare no expense" 16 core dual socket / quad socket workstation or a server cluster.

Someone should update the Wiki page on Haswell because it says "Up to 8 cores" but I can't find a source from this year that mentions core count. I figured with 8 core SB-E Xeons being out that they'd bump the mainstream core count up another 2 cores for Haswell. (Ask me in 2 months and I'll let you know for sure wink.gif )
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Oh and those Xeon's you mentioned... yea they get Bulldozed, Piledriven, and Steamrolled by AMD's Opterons.

But Intel has 90% of the server market.
Edited by dr/owned - 4/23/12 at 11:27pm
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4/23/12 at 11:27pm
I dont know why most reviews arent showing temperatures.
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4/23/12 at 11:32pm
http://youtu.be/MbfPQLGJUEk
this is the new review
http://youtu.be/9685x0ORYjI
Edited by NAWZ77 - 4/23/12 at 11:55pm
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4/23/12 at 11:40pm
AMDs opteron are really good compared to intel's Xeons in multi CPU configs especially cost wise.

But yeah I don't expect to see Haswel debut with anything more than the normal 4 cores 8 threads and of course the huge igp improvement that intel is pushing for nowadays with their mainstream CPUs. I'm much more interested in seeing what they're going to be doing with their enthusiast parts and if AMD will be able to compete with those. Maybe they should go with a similar system to intel's where they use FM2 or something as their mainstream socket and use G34 for enthusiasts. Imagine the perf you'd get from 4x unlocked 16 core opterons on a consumer enthusiast board.

But now on topic: I still think that ivy is actually a really nice jump forward even though it's obviously not a good upgrade or even an upgrade at all for SB users. Last time intel did a die shrink we got some weak dual core i5s with no ipc improvement and extreme hexa cores. At least this time we're getting a full refresh of their mainstream lineup with some extra improvements.
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4/23/12 at 11:55pm
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http://youtu.be/MbfPQLGJUEk
this is the new review

They don't show us the Temp when it overclock, they just show us the temp @ stock.
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4/24/12 at 12:05am
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Yeah, I never killed my Phenom II no matter what kind of abuse I put it through.

This hahaha, booted my comp once at 1.5v on my 1090T and forgot I had the pump unplugged, didnt notice for like 10 minutes and cpu was fine even though the block and stuff was really warm
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4/24/12 at 12:05am
check the other one i posted they show the temp at 4.8
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4/24/12 at 12:07am
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Here's the issue that I'm seeing, though.
The point was to bring much more powerful graphics, and they did. It's definitely more powerful than the SB HD 3000 IGP's, but compared to Llano... well, Llano, the last generation APU from AMD still runs all over IB's HD 4000 graphics in literally every test, and Llano is now EOL. Trinity is going to be much more powerful in terms of graphics.
It's like intel is trying really hard to catch AMD at the APU game, and they're falling flat on their face every time. This "tick+" isn't really a tick+. It's more like a tick... with a small hint of graphics on the side. For what intel is billing it to be, IB is a letdown.
Those of you guys with SB setups, keep them. There's no reason to upgrade. None.

Except for you know, what it was designed to do. Use less power.
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4/24/12 at 12:13am

 

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What? You can't wait for a week? IB is clearly a better buy.

 

Is it really if SB clocks higher? Keep in mind we're talking 3-6% IPC improvements here, which is completely negated by a bump in clock-speed from 4.7GHz to 4.9GHz.

 

The stock Ivy Bridge is better than the stock Sandy because it's clocked higher plus 3-6% IPC. Once you're OCing, it really makes no difference which chip you buy...in fact I'd almost rather stick with proven 2D transistors than be the first round of Tri-Gate guinea pigs.

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