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You are obviously not familiar with Intel's Tick-Tock cadence. Sandy Bridge was a huge increase over Lynnfield because they changed the micro-architecture. This is a mere process shrink. That they got 3-5% higher IPC without changing the micro-architecture is pretty impressive in and of itself.
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You are obviously not familiar with Intel's Tick-Tock cadence. Sandy Bridge was a huge increase over Lynnfield because they changed the micro-architecture. This is a mere process shrink. That they got 3-5% higher IPC without changing the micro-architecture is pretty impressive in and of itself.

Its the most disappointing "tick" of the past few years. Gulftown had 20% better IPC than Bloomfield and 30% better efficiency. So the bloomfield "tick" was an awesome one.

Ivy bridge on the other hand you get 3-5% IPC? Worse overclocking? I was expecting more, and even with a small IPC increase I was hoping for at least the same overclocking headroom. I guess thats why i'm disappointed.
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What about the fact you you can probably get SB second hand much cheaper and probably new much cheaper? Would 4% IPC improvement warrant the extra price?

The viability of Ivy Bridge and the new platform is not measured by the secondhand market. There is little-to-no reason to buy a new SB processor over an equivalent Ivy processor at this time, barring outliers such as fantastic sales.
    
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Its the most disappointing "tick" of the past few years. Gulftown had 20% better IPC than Bloomfield and 30% better efficiency. So the bloomfield "tick" was an awesome one.
Ivy bridge on the other hand you get 3-5% IPC? Worse overclocking? I was expecting more, and even with a small IPC increase I was hoping for at least the same overclocking headroom. I guess thats why i'm disappointed.

lol no it didn't. (At least, not in lightly threaded applications. But the gains in heavily multithreaded applications is attributed to the 2 extra cores, not architectural improvements)
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Its the most disappointing "tick" of the past few years. Gulftown had 20% better IPC than Bloomfield and 30% better efficiency. So the bloomfield "tick" was an awesome one.
Ivy bridge on the other hand you get 3-5% IPC? Worse overclocking? I was expecting more, and even with a small IPC increase I was hoping for at least the same overclocking headroom. I guess thats why i'm disappointed.

It's a good 'tick'. The problem is that the focus is obviously not people like us anymore. As a product for the general public however it looks great.

Not saying any of that makes me happy it just is what it is. I still think if you have something like a I7920 a 3770k would be a better buy then a 2600k. Even if Ivy maxes out at 4.6 for most of the chips it's still faster then all but maybe 10% or so of the 2600ks in existence. Plus you get the new chipset features and I think the lucid MVP stuff looks very promising for gamers.
    
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So are all processors now coming with internal GPUs and thus IGPs are no longer needed in new computer models from third parties?
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Its the most disappointing "tick" of the past few years. Gulftown had 20% better IPC than Bloomfield and 30% better efficiency. So the bloomfield "tick" was an awesome one.
Ivy bridge on the other hand you get 3-5% IPC? Worse overclocking? I was expecting more, and even with a small IPC increase I was hoping for at least the same overclocking headroom. I guess thats why i'm disappointed.

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lol no it didn't. (At least, not in lightly threaded applications. But the gains in heavily multithreaded applications is attributed to the 2 extra cores, not architectural improvements)
Thanks sLowEnd. thumb.gif
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Well now we know the 2 month delay.Seems like they were battling with high temps.I really think for laptops the shinner this year will be Trinity. 1) Better video playback tham Ivy. 2). Better(by far) gameplay than Ivy. 3)Defenitly lower temps than Ivy. Can somebody and a another point? biggrin.gif
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Well now we know the 2 month delay.Seems like they were battling with high temps.I really think for laptops the shinner this year will be Trinity. 1) Better video playback tham Ivy. 2). Better(by far) gameplay than Ivy. 3)Defenitly lower temps than Ivy. Can somebody and a another point? biggrin.gif

Trinity is going to be interesting for sure. It will definitely have better GPU performance then Ivy but on the other hand CPU performance will be much lower. And at stock the temps on Ivy will be fine so I don't see how that'd be a negative in a laptop.

Personally I would still rather have an Intel based notebook only because I don't play games on laptops. Later in the year I'll likely be getting a macbook air with an Ivy CPU.
    
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The viability of Ivy Bridge and the new platform is not measured by the secondhand market. There is little-to-no reason to buy a new SB processor over an equivalent Ivy processor at this time, barring outliers such as fantastic sales.

Its a smaller process that is running hotter - I would say there is plenty of reason for a overcloker to buy today a new SB instead of IB considering the negligible IPC difference.

The smaller you get the harsher laws of thermodynamics will hit you if you are heating stuff up. Now this is pure speculation in my part as I dont know how these new 3D transistors hold up - but I would speculate that these chips will degrade faster at the 4.7 GHz (and volts needed for that) than SB does at 5 GHz and volts needed for that. If I would have to buy a new CPU today for LGA 1055 starting from scratch I would go with Z68 or Z77 mobo and SB K series CPU.

IB is not a bad CPU, but considering the temps and volts needed for higher clock it is not as good as hoped. A lot better than AMD pulled off with their overhyped faildozer tho wink.gif At least it outperforms the previous generation at stock settings.
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