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Gulftown had 20% better IPC than Bloomfield and 30% better efficiency.

No it didn't.

Bloomfield and Gulftown IPC, outside of AES-NI, are almost identical. My i7 970 at 4.2GHz is no faster in most lightly threaded tasks than any of my Bloomfields were at 4.2GHz.

There was a noticeable power efficiency increase, at least at stock, but the same can be said about the Sandy to Ivy shift.
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No it didn't.
Bloomfield and Gulftown IPC, outside of AES-NI, are almost identical. My i7 970 at 4.2GHz is no faster in most lightly threaded tasks than any of my Bloomfields were at 4.2GHz.
There was a noticeable power efficiency increase, at least at stock, but the same can be said about the Sandy to Ivy shift.

The difference was that Bloomfield was not really a Tick. Its was only extreme CPU. Also having 6 core its did as as good and better then 4 core first gen. Basically by being 32nm it run as hot, used as much power while and overclocking like a golden Core i7 920 while having 2 extra cores. Basically they never released the mainstream version. What about Q6600 to Q9550.
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on average ~4% faster than SB clock for clock. You actually don't need to OC SB that much higher than IB to beat it. 250mhz or so should do it.
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Looks like the people that jumped to Sandybridge-E with the 3820 instead of waiting for Ivy made a pretty solid decision. thumb.gif
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The difference was that Bloomfield was not really a Tick. Its was only extreme CPU. Also having 6 core its did as as good and better then 4 core first gen. Basically by being 32nm it run as hot, used as much power while and overclocking like a golden Core i7 920 while having 2 extra cores. Basically they never released the mainstream version. What about Q6600 to Q9550.

They did release i5 models on LGA1156 @ 32nm. No quad cores though, but they were low power duals that also had unlocked variants for OCers. Those things did over 7GHz iirc.
 
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This is exactly the market where IB and SB are trading blows and neither is clearly better than the other. With an average clock for clock improvement of 4% over SB and generally with a bit worse OCing potential Most users on OCN (yes, mainstream OCers are what most of OCN is made out of so that's why you're seeing all the fail sings and people complaining) are going to see similar results with SB and IB. Neither is better is this case, making the CPU seem like a disappointment to a lot of OCN users.
Mainstream OCing with low end water/air cooling is about the only market where IB doesn't meet the expectations.
I'd actually want to buy one and see how far it goes on phase. Just for some fun though, my 5.3GHz 3930K is pretty beastly but I wouldn't mid trying IB. Kind of expensive to buy just for laughs though smile.gif

While I understand what you're saying, the people who are disappointed by this release are often in the wrong, likely due to misconceptions. Most people's expectations of what Ivy Bridge and the 22nm 3d-tranny process would entail were inaccurate. A smaller process doesn't mean it'll automatically run at lower temperatures. It's a revolutionary new process, it'll take time to nail down as we battle the limits of what silicon can accommodate and work on alternatives.

This release isn't aimed at users who already have high-end desktop Sandy Bridge or SB-E setups. This is a tick to a new process/platform, not a tock bringing significance performance gains to an existing process. Ivy Bridge is a better CPU (by all measures except its pure frequency ceiling and temperature levels at higher voltages) on a better platform (Z77 > P67/Z68, that is), and there should be no confusion in the decision in which to purchase given similar pricing (finding deals can alter the decision, of course). The backward compatibility of Ivy Bridge is appreciated, too. If one is happy with their SB proc, they can simply acknowledge the improvements Ivy brings and wait for something that suits them better. Constructive criticism is welcome, but the majority of the expressions of disappointment in these parts are anything but constructive (general rant, not aimed at you Ala smile.gif). I'm getting tired of feeling obligated to defend the Ivy Bridge release and combat negativity. A successful launch should not require defense.

Ivy Bridge brings improvements to the desktop segment and should have a significant impact in the mobile market. It will be exciting to follow the release of new ultra-portables this year.
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If the 2600k goes on sale for $199 again, I'd probably jump on it rather than shell out another $100+ for the 3770k. Just makes dollar sense. Gives me time to see if they get a revision out for Ivy, or to just save a little $ and wait for the next tock.

Considering I don't have a pc right now, either one is going to be pretty spectacular to me.
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snipety snip

Oh I completely agree. I already said in an earlier post of mine that I actually think IB is an exceptional tick for intel. I mean ipc went up, IB consumes less power and the gfx performance is really up there compared to SB. That's way better than normal.

The move to 32nm from 45nm for example was much worse. Yes we did get the 6 core monster CPUs but how many OCNers really bought a 980X? mostly it was just mobile parts and low end i5s, some with added igps this time. Now we're getting a full mainstream lineup of generally better CPUs

This time IB is the clear choice for majority of intel's market and a real improvement in normal compared to SB. Ticks aren't meant to bring that much perf increase if at all.

The problem is just that OCNers who're used to OCing with air/water aren't all that happy with the results IB is getting.
 
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Oh I completely agree. I already said in an earlier post of mine that I actually think IB is an exceptional tick for intel. I mean ipc went up, IB consumes less power and the gfx performance is really up there compared to SB. That's way better than normal.
The move to 32nm from 45nm for example was much worse. Yes we did get the 6 core monster CPUs but how many OCNers really bought a 980X? mostly it was just mobile parts and low end i5s, some with added igps this time. Now we're getting a full mainstream lineup of generally better CPUs
This time IB is the clear choice for majority of intel's market and a real improvement in normal compared to SB. Ticks aren't meant to bring that much perf increase if at all.
The problem is just that OCNers who're used to OCing with air/water aren't all that happy with the results IB is getting.

I don't deny they're unhappy, but I posit that their emotion is unjustified. I primarily used your post as a launching point to rant tongue.gif Another nice feature is that the stronger iGPUs aren't being limited to K models.

Also, shouldn't you be posting news articles right now? wink.gif
    
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actually the a bunch of them ranging from the lowest tier i5 to the i7 3770k are already retailed in my country smile.gif the 3570k is 40 euros more than the 2500k, is that worth it?
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actually the a bunch of them ranging from the lowest tier i5 to the i7 3770k are already retailed in my country smile.gif the 3570k is 40 euros more than the 2500k, is that worth it?

Probably not, but that's a result of release pricing... or in the case of the Netherlands, quazi-pre-release pricing tongue.gif Intel's Ivy Bridge price scheme is quite appealing. It will sort itself out soon.
    
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