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........when are these things going on sale? I expected a release date of April 23rd to mean...you know.....a release date of April 23rd.
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Originally Posted by G3RG View Post

All were far below the maximum voltage intel lists (1.52v)

Maybe you have a bad chip? How often this is a problem? Does Intel warranty replace degraded chips?
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Originally Posted by IronWill1991 View Post

Maybe you have a bad chip? How often this is a problem? Does Intel warranty replace degraded chips?

I rma'd mine and sold it a couple days later.

And it's not just me, plenty of other people have had degradation issues with SB.
 
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980X isn't the only Gulftown.

Well obviously. I should have said 980X or a 970 (or a 990X, 980 later on).

Anyways the point still stands, not many people bought them.
 
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Doesnt this CPU throttle at like 100 degrees?? Let it run hot then.
My 920 HT off idles at 55degrees and it ran 3.8Ghz the 1st year, 3.6 for the following 2 years up until now, gonna replace the TIM and dust it before handing it down.
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3770K vs 2700K at same 4.6 overclock. Disappointing. Seems to imply 3770K at 4.6 would be marginally inferior to 2700K at 4.8. That can't be right.

http://www.eteknix.com/reviews/motherboards/gigabyte-z77x-ud5h-z77-motherboard-ivy-bridge-review/4/
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Why? If I didn't have my heart set on 2011 (Starting to use CAD programs and Photoshop in a semi-professional manner now, so I actually would benefit from it) I'd go IB over SB any day. Sure, temperatures are higher but the chip can handle them. CPUs can handle heat much better than people act like. My laptop i3 (32nm die, 45nm IGP/IMC) gets to 90c regularly which is actually above its TJMax and it's yet to have any issues.

The thing is - it probably cant handle it. I think SB-E is better investment atm btw smile.gif Your laptop is probably not pushing 1.3 volts through that 90C chip.

The smaller you make the process the harsher the laws of thermodynamics hit you. As an arbitrary example: So you have a 32 nm process - thats approx 320x320x20 atoms ~ 2 million of them. Now you have 22 nm process - thats approx 220x220x20 atoms ~ 1 million atoms. Thats as a very rough guessimate in overidealized scenario ofc with numbers just made up. The point is in combination of increased temperature and volts its a lot easier for some atoms to escape from your "working area" - its usually called chip degrading which is already at current 32 nm processes a real thing happening and reported by several people in these very forums as well.

It manifests itself as a chip thats been rock stable at some volts and frequency for a while just starting to fail at the same volts and frequency some day. You drop the frequency a bit to get it stable or have to increase the volts a bit and so it goes until some point its not even stable at stock anymore in the extreme cases.

Shortest times I have seen reported have been in the order of some months for the SB with relatively high frequencies in combination of supposedly safe volts (~4.8 - 5 GHz at ~1.4+ volts). Chip degrading is function of temperature and volts. Temperature gives the atoms more wiggle room and volts - they re like wind blowing in one direction constantly - if the atom jumps too high from its potential well the volts will blow it away - not far, but jumping one to three potential wells at a time the matter that you need in very specific locations for the chip to work will end up somewhere else. That is without counting the quantum effects which should be almost negligible as 22 nm is still big enough for that and its really hard (i.e., almost nonexistent probablity) to tunnel with whole atom.
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From what I read from Anandtech and their Overvolt and Undervolt testing, is that overclocking at stock or small volt increase, or even underclocking, is quite good to keep temps down.

I have read that a 1.0 volt would do 4.0 Ghz. Probably rhis is the best bet for the 22 nm. I will do so when I get mine. Also, I will want to keep temps as low as possible.
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