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The Science behind the 22nm 3D Transistor and how it can help us overclock!
So let me confuse you a bit and then unconfused you by simplifying everything. Now if you don’t know this, decreasing the size of the transistor takes it down to a quantum level. Quantum mechanics is a scary word, but isn’t very hard to understand, in very general terms it deals with all aspect of physics not covered by tradition physics, so it covers physics down to the molecular/atomic level. When we reach the 22nm size, we are dealing with quantum physics, and when we do this we can talk about the Hinesburg uncertainty principle, which basically states we cannot know where the electron will be at a certain point. That means that if the electron is outside of where it should be, then we have higher leakage. There is an equation where temperature and leakage are related, and while it is pretty complex, it does allow us to analyze certain points easily.
Sub threshold Leakage= A (W/L) (k^2/q^2) T^2 e^((-qV_t)/nkT) In more simplified terms this shows us that leakage increase exponentially with temperature, and that voltage also has a significant impact on increasing leakage. This has been true for almost all microprocessors, however on Ivy Bridge it is easy to see. So we can analyze Ivy Bridge’s power properties in two ways, first we set a constant overclock and a constant voltage, and we take control of the temperature by decreasing the temperature at full load through the use of liquid nitrogen, and we measure the power input. The power input to the CPU will be reflective of the leakage, lower input power can be because of lower the wasted power and thus lower leakage, and the temperature we put on the CPU will be the temperature. We will then do this at another voltage with a higher frequency and see if the trend is affected.
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We can see that not only is the temperature decrease having a great effect on the power consumption (representative of leakage), but also an exponential one, as at around -60C on both runs we see a leveling off of the power consumption. However as the temperature rises the increase in power is much more than it is when the temperature is lower. This confirms that the leakage on this CPU is very heavy, we can also see that the leakage is being decreased exponentially as we decrease the temperature.
So how can this help me OC? Well keep this in mind, for every degree you can reduce the temperature of Ivy you are decreasing the leakage at a faster rate than at the degree above it, when you do this you are increasing your opportunity for higher frequency at a much faster rate. So always keep pushing at better temperatures, with Ivy Bridge EVERY degree counts more than the degree above it. At around -60C this effect subsides, so phase change would be a point at which the power scaling starts to end.

A lot of people claim that LN2 benchmarks do nothing for us 24/7 overclockers. This is one of the reasons LN2 is so useful.
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that is exactly what I wanted to get through to people, that LN2 can provide insights which cannot be seen on Air/Water. It is useful for testing and pushing limits of the platform.
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Thanks for the info, got my Z77-UD5 + samsung mv-3v4g3d/us + Silver Arrow SB-E finally yesterday all that's left is the 3770k it's self
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wow OK seems like 4.5-4.8 on water is a reasonable target to shoot for then?

seems like a 3770K and a UD5 would be a nice upgrade. I was worried I would have to go X79 from all the heat related issues that reviewers have been posting but I think we need to change out thoughts about 80* load temps.

this is good bye dual core i5. ...that'll do pig......that'll do.

time for some quad core HT multi GPU goodness!!!!


stupidy detailed guide. needs to be made official ASAP!!! great work..like always sin!!!
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IMo my very person opinion for a very very very long time and so many time of failing, i would say keep under 90C, i am going to extend the usual 80C to 85C as the CPU doesn't seem to put out that much heat at 90C, and most of the issue is due to the thermal issues between the CPu and the IHS, that is the biggest issue IMO. Someone reported that instead of solder Intel used TIM to bridge the gap internally, and that would just be bad.
Keep under 1.3v as best as you can, but if you must 1.35 can be handled and 1.4v i would say max for 24/7.
however I used sandy for about a month before release and saw degradation instantly at over 1.5v, with ivy I used over 1.5 a lot and have seen no degradation over a much longer period of time. The CPu is much more resilient, whether one day it will just die and give up I have no idea, but i would think to say the CPu is damn resilient.
1.35-1.4v MAX For Air/Water
85-90C MAX for Air/'Water
Same for both, but the i5 should run cooler anyways., however it seems that this time with ivy, 3570K vs3770K for extreme guys that difference matters in max clocks i think, you don't see any 6.6-6.9ghz 3570Ks, but you do 3770Ks. However it could also be due to the fact that Intel really binned them this time, as not every CPU clocks so high like with sandy did, almost all would clock to over 5ghz on air, now that doesn't happen so they have to tighten clock margins. .
Don't worry about temp until it starts affecting the performance, it wont heat your room up like a SBe CPu will at those frequencies.

Very interesting
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Great post man thanks this is nice to see. good work smile.gif A quick question regarding a sandy i5 2500k that i own my VCORE in the BIOS is set to 1.405 and with LLC i see max vcore around 1.416 during idle and in HW monitor iv occasional seen 1.43 vcore on idle but HW monitor says my 1.416 is 1.42 so it kinda rounds vcore and sorta gives a non accurate reading. and my temps in normal usage are around 55-59C. Is it safe? Anyways is around 1.42 vcore safe? And just be safe ill call it 1.43 max VCORE because of HW monitor.

Max temps are as follows

Intel burn test (Highly demanding) 83C

BF3 55C

Intense PC work 60 C

Prime 95 75C

1.43 vcore as the safe max persay.

am i good? iv been running over 2 months with no issues yet.
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Great work sin. +rep subbed to read later thumb.gif
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Awesome read Sin. Will get my 3570K the moment it hits the shelve.
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Having some issues overclocking with this UD5H and a i5 3570K

• In the BIOS the mouse pointer and even using the arrow keys to move/select freezes.
• The board restarts after the BIOS splash screen, getting error codes A6. A3, AE

I have 4.5Ghz stable and thats it, even just trying 1X CPU ratio higher can cause these issues.

Settings for 45X so far,

CPU ratio 45X
Turbo disabled
LLC Turbo
Vcore 1.325v

Using Bios F6K as any other BIOS causes the Corsair K90 keyboard to not work in the BIOS or enter the BIOS.
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hey yes BIOS F6 was released yesterday please flash to that.

The Mouse freezes in the BIOS then the OC is unstable, I have had it happen, it happens when you are on the border of stability. you need more Vcore. What are the rest of your settings?

AE is like a full boot, if you try to boot with 1x multiplier higher you will get a BDOS if you try to stability test it. The BIOS puts a slight load on the CPU, something like 30% at some points, so it has some effect when your OC isn't' stable.

F6 BIOS is the final of F6K, F6H, anf F6I.
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