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So as I PC game more and more screen tearing bothers me more and more.

Vsync solves screen tearing but creates input lag, obviously.

My question is this: theoretically, if my minimum framerate stays above 60 FPS, shouldn't a framerate limiter such as MSI AB/Rivatuner be able to achieve the same benefit without creating input lag? And if so, why do I see a lot of people capping their framerate at 58, 59, 61, or 62 instead of 60 (if their refresh rate is 60Hz)?

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The only way to know is to try wink.gif

If the game uses triple buffering, you can try 59 fps and vsync as well.
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The short answer is no. Have a look at THIS thread, where someone had a similar problem. Specifically look at posts #4 and #7 from guyladouche, they may explain the problem better, and best solutions.

Hope that helps. smile.gif
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hey mate

download this ..

http://www.bandicam.com/

limit ur fps to 60 and report back ... without this , bf3 for me lags like hell .. now its smooth as a baby's a$$

put a shortcut in ur startup folder so it starts with windows and everytime u play a game it will limit the fps to 60 .

this will fix ur problem 100%

make sure vsync is enabled in game aswel.

BTW do u have a good mouse ? that can cause stutter
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Thanks guys. I will read that stuff.

As for this guy:
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BTW do u have a good mouse ? that can cause stutter

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limit ur fps to 60 and report back ...
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make sure vsync is enabled in game aswel.

Having vsync enabled will limit the fps to 60 anyway. I fail to see the difference.
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I never saw what mouse your using , i was just giving you my advise buddy no need to roll eyes and stuff .

i know what im talking about , i played bf3 with vsync before i used Bandicam and it stuttered like crap .. I searched the whole internet for answers , installed different drivers and the only thing that helped was that .. it made the game so much more enjoyable , how it should be .

Enable frame limiter in Bandicam and set it to 60 and watch the difference .. Theres no more input lag , or frame spikes .. its smooth as butter aslong as your cards are powerful enough to hold 60Fps .. which they are .

Mouse can cause stuttering , or your mouse pad etc etc thats why i asked .. i didnt read through ur rig .

Before i got my razer mamba and goliathus mouse pad it was just a horrible experience none the less .. i didnt realise how much a mouse \ pad actually matters for FPS games and overall smoothness of the gameplay .
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Having vsync enabled will limit the fps to 60 anyway. I fail to see the difference.

Made a difference for me =) even with vsync on it would stutter very badly .

Depending on what game we are talking about really , im mainly talking bf3 ..

No problems with other games stuttering and tearing etc .
    
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So as I PC game more and more screen tearing bothers me more and more.
Vsync solves screen tearing but creates input lag, obviously.
My question is this: theoretically, if my minimum framerate stays above 60 FPS, shouldn't a framerate limiter such as MSI AB/Rivatuner be able to achieve the same benefit without creating input lag? And if so, why do I see a lot of people capping their framerate at 58, 59, 61, or 62 instead of 60 (if their refresh rate is 60Hz)?
Thanks.

No.

Tearing is caused by incomplete frame buffers and is solved by synchronization of monitor redraw and frame buffers.


Even if you always run at 60Hz (on average!), there is nothing to ensure synchronization. You monitor can always be out of sync and therefore tear.
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Your best bet is those lucid virtu mvp chips on the z77 motherboards i guess, Ill know if that works when i get my i5 hopefully at the end of the week
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