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Looking to build a setup in either the Midi or Mini case. I've ordered a Maximus IV Gene-Z/GEN3 to get away from a spat of faulty gigabyte boards I've had (x16 slot failure, x16 slot partial failure, memory retention snapping first time put a stick in...).

I just wanted to do something different than my current build (link).

The components that I have are:
  • ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z/GEN3
  • i7 2600K (gotten a stable 4.85 Ghz on air with the thermalright arrow)
  • 16 gb Corsair Vengeance memory (going to swap with low profile Samsung)
  • Zotac Geforce 560 ti 448 core (I think a 570 water block would work but it's missing one "screw hole" compared to 570; regardless probably upgrade to 79xx or 680 once it's OSX supported)
  • 120 GB Intel 510 SSD
  • 2TB WD Black
  • 3TB WD Green
  • 1TB Hitachi
  • Corsair Professional 850 watt PSU (Should I change?)

I'm admittedly new to water cooling, I've dealt with friends, helped assemble others, and used all-in-ones. I just have no idea what parts are good and what are bad! Thats where I need help!

I have no need to cool the GPU now, but would like the possibility down the road. Looking for a quiet system compared to what I had. Will be getting sound dampening to apply threw out the case too.

All I've gathered is:
  • 240mm radiator at the top of the case
  • possible 120mm radiator in the mid HD cage (I only need one HD cage to fit the drives I need)
  • Single/Dual 5.25" drivebay resivour

Now what I don't know is:

What CPU Block?

Should I get a pump that also goes in the 5.25" bays?

What size tubing/connectors?


Budget for the widgets is ~ $300-400, be nice to be on the low side but if it warrants it I can go higher. I rather have a system that can grow/stay with components for a long time...


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All help would be super appreciated! Not going for flashy, just functional biggrin.gif


UPDATE:
Well here is what I'm guessing might work... Still need tubing, liquid and fitting suggestions. It's a bit on the high side since there is still more to get. Also doesn't have a pump. Is there a better pump/reservoir combo?
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Edited by Philz - 4/23/12 at 9:19pm
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You might want to post a prospective part list from your own experience, so that people can alter it and help you. Posting like this usually doesn't get a whole lot of replies, unfortunately.

If i was you, I'd head over to a site like http://martinsliquidlab.org/ and check out the block/radiator reviews, then decide what you like based on what pricing seems fair to you, then post back with the parts/etc. Then I'm sure people won't mind sharing their knowledge, since they don't have to make an entire part list!

Good luck with your water cooling experience though, it is surely a wild ride wink.gif
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You might want to post a prospective part list from your own experience, so that people can alter it and help you. Posting like this usually doesn't get a whole lot of replies, unfortunately.
If i was you, I'd head over to a site like http://martinsliquidlab.org/ and check out the block/radiator reviews, then decide what you like based on what pricing seems fair to you, then post back with the parts/etc. Then I'm sure people won't mind sharing their knowledge, since they don't have to make an entire part list!
Good luck with your water cooling experience though, it is surely a wild ride wink.gif

I'll add that in then smile.gif I just really have no idea -_- I'll add what I do have so far to the main post. Hopefully this will get more attention smile.gif
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Now what I don't know is:
What CPU Block?
Should I get a pump that also goes in the 5.25" bays?
What size tubing/connectors?

[splice]

UPDATE:
Well here is what I'm guessing might work... Still need tubing, liquid and fitting suggestions. It's a bit on the high side since there is still more to get. Also doesn't have a pump. Is there a better pump/reservoir combo?
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You should check out the XSPC bundles.
This kit is a very good buy, comes with everything you need.

All of the parts included in that Raystorm bundle are rated very highly; I'll list them.

CPU BLOCK: XSPC Raystorm
Martin has a comprehensive review here, but in short, the Raystorm is one of the top performing CPU blocks available.

PUMP: MCP655
Very quiet operation, great head pressure and flow rates. the MCP655 (aka Laing D5) is the go-to pump for water cooling.

RAD: XSPC RX240/360
Check out this link, Bundy does some very well regarded comprehensive comparisons of Radiators. The results hold true for the 240 version of the RX radiator as well. It's an outstanding product.

FANS: XSPC Xinruilian
Review here. Plain and simple, they perform.

FITTINGS: XSPC Compression fittings
Matter of preference, but I firmly believe in compression fittings. Both in aesthetics and reliability.

Res and Tubing can't necessarily be "rated," but those included in this kit will get the job done.

Your questions:

What CPU Block?
You can't really go wrong here, any of the major players will perform within 1-2C of eachother. Go with whatever fits your budget or looks the best.
(Of course the blocks I have in mind are the EK Supreme HF, Swiftech Apogee HD, XSPC Raystorm, Heatkiller Rev 3.0. Can't go wrong with any of those.)
Should I get a pump that also goes in the 5.25" bays?
Not necessarily, it can save space, but it can also cause problems with bleeding your loop properly. It's not hard to find a good place to mount a D5.
What size tubing/connectors?
It literally does not matter. I use 3/8" ID 1/2" OD, I've found that they're easy to find fittings for (and the fittings are typically cheaper), my flow rates are great, and the size of the tubing doesn't dwarf my other components. It's all personal preference, there is very little to gain performance wise in tubing size.

Still need tubing, liquid and fitting suggestions.
Primochill is a great brand for tubing, as is Masterkleer.

Use Distilled water + a killcoil, don't waste your time with premixes.

Fittings...Go with barbs + zip ties if you want to save money, Compression fittings (Bitspower <3) if you want a more aesthetically "clean" look.
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You should check out the XSPC bundles.
This kit is a very good buy, comes with everything you need.
All of the parts included in that Raystorm bundle are rated very highly; I'll list them.

That does sound perfect, I've been looking at that kit... Finally understand why it's better than the lower one. Though with that, is the pump powerful enough to run another 120mm radiator/possible future GPU (I'd add the 120 if/when I do the GPU most likely) or could I add another D5?

Though the pump in the kit is sold out -_- hopefully it's back soon. Pumps are irrelevant as the switch is pretty much the same. Probably will get the variable... Seriously though thanks for the info! The only thing is I generally like to "build my own" but this kit is incredibly tempting considering it's exactly what I need really. Space wise even.

Definetly doing the compression fittings, no real reason to skimp on that.

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Edited by Philz - 4/23/12 at 10:52pm
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D5's are pretty beefy.

Last build I had mine pushing a 360 and 240 rad, 2 gpu blocks, mobo block, and cpu block. Also radiators add almost no restriction.

Frozencpu has been out of stock of the Alphacool D5 for a while, may be worth contacting them for an eta, or to see if they would sell the kit with the swiftech mcp655.

Don't forget the discount code for frozen CPU either, "pcapex" will get you 5% off thumb.gif
     
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D5's are pretty beefy.
Last build I had mine pushing a 360 and 240 rad, 2 gpu blocks, mobo block, and cpu block. Also radiators add almost no restriction.
Frozencpu has been out of stock of the Alphacool D5 for a while, may be worth contacting them for an eta, or to see if they would sell the kit with the swiftech mcp655.
Don't forget the discount code for frozen CPU either, "pcapex" will get you 5% off thumb.gif

Yup they will sell it with the MCP655, I didn't realize it was an "option" on the kit–I've always ignored that stuff with what I got at frozen (I don't need caffeine, I have an Nespresso machine biggrin.gif). Is it worth getting the variable speed one for $15 more? Sounds like it'll be quiet enough to be pointless and just run it at high.

Definitely doing the kit, will probably change tubing, fans sound quiet (which is what I want) so really no complaints. Debating adding the 120 now (it wouldn't be hard/expensive), doubt I'll notice a difference with just CPU on the loop.
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D5's are pretty beefy.
Last build I had mine pushing a 360 and 240 rad, 2 gpu blocks, mobo block, and cpu block. Also radiators add almost no restriction.
Frozencpu has been out of stock of the Alphacool D5 for a while, may be worth contacting them for an eta, or to see if they would sell the kit with the swiftech mcp655.
Don't forget the discount code for frozen CPU either, "pcapex" will get you 5% off thumb.gif

Yup they will sell it with the MCP655, I didn't realize it was an "option" on the kit–I've always ignored that stuff with what I got at frozen (I don't need caffeine, I have an Nespresso machine biggrin.gif). Is it worth getting the variable speed one for $15 more? Sounds like it'll be quiet enough to be pointless and just run it at high.

Definitely doing the kit, will probably change tubing, fans sound quiet (which is what I want) so really no complaints. Debating adding the 120 now (it wouldn't be hard/expensive), doubt I'll notice a difference with just CPU on the loop.

I have the non-variable version, which runs at speed 4 non-stop (if I'm remembering that right) and its plenty quiet. Definitely can't hear it over the "whoosh" sound my fans make, which is pretty quiet. Even then you can wire it to a fan controller to voltage control the speeds. Purely up to you though.

Grab some Primochill tube in a color you're fond of (make sure you get the right size). ~10 feet should suffice.

If you can fit more rad, why not? thumb.gif
     
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I have the non-variable version, which runs at speed 4 non-stop (if I'm remembering that right) and its plenty quiet. Definitely can't hear it over the "whoosh" sound my fans make, which is pretty quiet. Even then you can wire it to a fan controller to voltage control the speeds. Purely up to you though.
Grab some Primochill tube in a color you're fond of (make sure you get the right size). ~10 feet should suffice.
If you can fit more rad, why not? thumb.gif

Sounds like a plan, was already looking at the colors for the primochill tubing. Think I'll be boring and go black (since case has no window)

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Though the red is tempting with that board smile.gif Normally don't care for color....

Between these:
AlphaCool NexXxos ST30 Slim Profile 120mm
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15663/ex-rad-372/Alphacool_NexXxoS_ST30_Full_Copper_Slim_Profile_Single_120mm_Radiator.html?tl=g30c95s159#blank
&
Black Ice GT Steal 120mm
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/4061/ex-rad-80/Black_Ice_GT_Stealth_120_Radiator_-_Black.html?tl=g30c95s159

Seriously thanks for your help!
Edited by Philz - 4/24/12 at 12:35am
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It's on it's way. Thanks for everything, I'll keep a build log once the items arrive. Should be fun to put together. Waiting on the 120mm rad for a new GPU and whatnot, but till then this is more than enough for just the CPU smile.gif
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