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Hello, I'm getting back into PC gaming, and so I'm getting my hands on a high performance computer. Here's the potential parts I have: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15011794

Suggestions? Thanks smile.gif

I don't know about the case, I just sort of picked it out of the blue. What are some cheap cases with good cable management? My PSU will be modular, so that knocks out a lot of cables, but I'd still like a case that can hide the rest.
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here is what i suggest you get and just add the other stuff on your list

NOTE: this system comes with a 7870


CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 960T Zosma 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HD96ZTWFGRBOX ($130)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103995

GPU: 7870 ($350)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131467

Memory: Kingston HyperX Grey Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX ($40)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104173&cm_sp=Cat_Memory-_-Daily_Deal-_-20-104-173

PSU: SILVERSTONE Strider Essential series ST60F-ES 600W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply ($70)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256071

HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper N 520 RR-920-N520-GP 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Intel Core i7 compatible ($35)

or a Cooler Master 212 EVO



you'll end up with about the same amount plus extras. this is not counting the rebates. thumb.gif
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Intel is now way better than AMD for gaming. (I'm assuming you're coming back to gaming from the days when the Athlon 64 smoked Intel's offerings). And they just came out with new processors. Now if you also do video editing, heavy autoCAD work, whatever, there may be a more cost-effective AMD offering. Not a better one, though.

But for just gaming (I'm assuming a 1920x1080 monitor since you didn't specify), here's what I'd get if I were you:

Case: haf 912 is actually one of the best budget cases, it's cheaper here ($53)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&vpn=RC%2D912%2DKKN1&manufacture=COOLERMASTER&promoid=1230
you can get the bit fenix merc alpha, which is decent for a bit less, but the 912 is slightly higher quality

PSU: Antec Earthwatts 650 ($65)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59339&vpn=EA650Green&manufacture=Antec&promoid=1230
This is tremendous overkill in terms of wattage, but it's a pretty good sale on a quality unit. Enough power for a second GPU if you ever decide you want one. It's not modular, but you can just set the cords on the bottom of the case, which is out of the way of airflow and saves you money you can spend on video card...

DVD burner ($17)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=49597&vpn=DRW%2D24B1ST%20Bulk&manufacture=ASUS&promoid=1230

Hard Drive: 1TB 7200rmp ($95)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=65701&vpn=ST1000DM003&manufacture=Others&promoid=1230
2TB for $115. 3TB for $165, 500GB for $75 depending on your favored size.

RAM: G.Skill 1600mhz 2x4gb ($45)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231546
the ram rdr09 recommended is better for an AMD system, because it's cheaper, but Intel systems prefer 1.5v ram.

Motherboard: Asrock z77 ($118)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157297
If you want to leave open the option of having 2 video cards (generally not worth it unless you have a multi-monitor setup or a really really high resolution), you can get the upgraded version at ($143)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

CPU: i5-3570k (~$215)
Should be available soon... the ivy bridge processors launched today but they're not in stores just yet for some reason. Any day now. This will be the best processor for pure gaming on the market.

CPU Cooler: HR-02 Macho ($53)
http://www.amazon.com/ThermalRight-HR-02-MACHO-Thermalright-Macho/dp/B005ERSN7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335243284&sr=8-1
Good performance, very quiet. You can spend less for slightly worse with a Coolermaster 212+ or spend more for slightly better with a Noctua NH-D14 or Thermalright Silver Arrow.

Sound Card: Asus DX ($62 after $20 rebate)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=29395&vpn=XONAR%20DX&manufacture=ASUS
Unless you have good headphones/speakers and not some generic gaming headset, you won't hear a benefit over the on-board sound cound, which are pretty good these days. But if you really want a sound card, the one above is very, very good, particularly for the price.

Video Card ($267)
What you spend here depends a lot on your monitor and your toleration for image quality. For one standard (1920x1080) monitor, with most games, the 7850 will be absolutely fabulous. For the very hardest games to run, you might have to deal with just "high" graphics settings rather than maximum - but the games will still look good. But if you're one of those people that has to have tops graphics settings, you'll want to spend more on the 7870 or 7950. If it were me, I'd get the 7850 and save the extra $100. If you have a 1680x1050 monitor or less, I'd get whatever 6870 is cheap on newegg, and it'll run games fantastically on that resolution - the extra money not being worth it without a better monitor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125419
If you get a 7870, I recommend the sapphire version with 2 fans. That heatsink has reviewed as very quiet and effective.

Tenative total (7850, cheaper motherboard): $990.

Compared to your wishlist that's

1)The best gaming CPU on the market instead of a decent CPU
2)a non-modular PSU
3)A more highly recommended sound card
4)More expensive by about $55

Better ways to reduce cost:
1)Don't overclock. (-$100) Overclocking costs money: in this case about $90. (Drop cpu cooler, get a non-K i5 processor, get an H77 instead of z77 motherboard)
2)Get a cheaper video card (-$110). A 6870 is still a good card, and is much cheaper.
3)Don't get a sound card (-$63). On board is good for most people
4)Get a cheaper PSU (-$20) A good 450w unit will be plenty for you - I didn't recommend one only because none are one a good sale this week that I saw.
5)Get a smaller HDD (see hdd section above)

Better ways to spend more:
1)Get an SSD. (+$140). With 128GB SSD you can fit your OS and most of your programs on the SSD for lightning-fast load speeds.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60445&vpn=CT128M4SSD2&manufacture=CRUCIAL%20TECHNOLOGY&promoid=1230
2)Get a better video card (+$100 or more) See video card section above.
3)Get a bigger HDD (see hdd section above)
4)Get a monitor upgrade (+$ lots and lots) if you don't have a good monitor now, there's no point getting a hot-shot video card. Higher resolutions or capable frame rates (the 'standard' monitor is 1920x1080 @ 60hz) can utilize more power.
5)Buy better peripherals - mouse (I love my mionix naos 3200), headphones, whatever.

Hope this helps!

P.S. The Earthwatts doesn't come with a power cable. If you don't have an extra from somewhere, pick one up.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812270406
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this is would be out of your budget but i would recommend you something like Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3
ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
($129.86 @ Newegg)

Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ B&H)

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($52.99 @ Amazon)

Power Supply: OCZ 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.99 @ Newegg)

Total:$984.80 Shipped and after MIR $959.80

or if you want it around 920 or 930$ then replace the 7950 with 7870 tongue.gif
and if you want AMD then
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CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 960T Black 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($119.99 @ NCIX US)

Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ B&H)

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($449.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($27.99 @ Microcenter)

Power Supply: XFX 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($94.99 @ NCIX US)

Total:$984.93 Shipped and After MIR $939.93

tell me which one you like and we could just refine it more wink.gif
Hope you like it smile.gif
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All the responses were really helpful, guys smile.gif

I've switched the soundcard to the Xonar D1 (The PCI version of the DX). I'll switch the RAM to 1600 or 1866MHz when I order; I thought the tighter timings would provide better performance than the higher clock rate.

As far as the CPU goes, I noticed both of the AMD builds suggested the 960T over the FX-4170. What makes the 960T a better deal? I like the 4170 because of the 32nm fab (lower power usage, less heat) and the high default clock, which suggests I won't need to spend another $50 on a nice CPU cooler. Surely there's something that I'm missing though. Is it that the 960T can have cores unlocked?

I would rather not go with an Intel CPU; For the games I play, at least, benchmarks don't seem to really discriminate toward or against AMD on any appreciable level. Plus, I don't like how often the Intel socket upgrades. I do like my i3 though smile.gif

I'll probably switch my motherboard to a CF compatible one soon. I can't get rid of my sound card, I've been spoiled by dedicated sound cards and now I can't live without them, haha.
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All the responses were really helpful, guys smile.gif
I've switched the soundcard to the Xonar D1 (The PCI version of the DX). I'll switch the RAM to 1600 or 1866MHz when I order; I thought the tighter timings would provide better performance than the higher clock rate.
As far as the CPU goes, I noticed both of the AMD builds suggested the 960T over the FX-4170. What makes the 960T a better deal? I like the 4170 because of the 32nm fab (lower power usage, less heat) and the high default clock, which suggests I won't need to spend another $50 on a nice CPU cooler. Surely there's something that I'm missing though. Is it that the 960T can have cores unlocked?
I would rather not go with an Intel CPU; For the games I play, at least, benchmarks don't seem to really discriminate toward or against AMD on any appreciable level. Plus, I don't like how often the Intel socket upgrades. I do like my i3 though smile.gif
I'll probably switch my motherboard to a CF compatible one soon. I can't get rid of my sound card, I've been spoiled by dedicated sound cards and now I can't live without them, haha.

check out my sig, Conley. if it unlocks and you're not into rendering, then leave it locked.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1189945/amd-zosma-960t-1600t-1605t-cpu-club
Edited by rdr09 - 4/24/12 at 6:20am
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check out my sig, Conley. if it unlocks and your not into rendering, then leave it locked.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1189945/amd-zosma-960t-1600t-1605t-cpu-club

Well, I actually do like to mess around in Blender, and with the new Cycles rendering engine... that would make a big difference. Hrm. Now I just need to decide if I'm okay with the high power usage/heat output. I looked at some benchmarks for Bulldozer; I see why you guys weren't recommending it! So, now I need to decide between Intel or AMD, due to power usage issues. I could get a 32/22nm vs AMD's 45nm fabrication.
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Well, I actually do like to mess around in Blender, and with the new Cycles rendering engine... that would make a big difference. Hrm. Now I just need to decide if I'm okay with the high power usage/heat output. I looked at some benchmarks for Bulldozer; I see why you guys weren't recommending it! So, now I need to decide between Intel or AMD, due to power usage issues. I could get a 32/22nm vs AMD's 45nm fabrication.

i waited for ivy. i think i'll just wait longer. as a quad, the 960T is a 95W chip. when unlocked, it is pretty close to BD's flagship.

if the 3770K for $400 comes with a chiller . . .just kidding. ha!

EDIT: SB prices should go down further a few weeks into ivy's launch. it should. but then again, my i7 950 held its price for quite sometime.
Edited by rdr09 - 4/24/12 at 6:43am
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When a game's benchmarks don't discriminate between AMD and Intel, that means the games you play are not CPU-dependent - it's maximum performance is based on GPU.

The 960T is a better deal than the 4170 because bulldozer sucks. Phenom II tends to do better in gaming than bulldozer. Not sure if it's better instructions per clock speed or that bulldozer modules are really more like one core with hyperthreading than a true two cores. See if any of the recent ivy bridge reviews have benchmarks for both AMD & Intel for the uses you're looking at. I think at least one, bit-tech's, includes over clocked performance.
    
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Yeah, I think I'm going to wait until closer to the end of May, and then go for the 2500k. It's more money, but I think I'll try Intel this time. If AMD chips didn't pull so much more power when overclocking, I would probably go AMD again, but as things currently are, I think I might try out Intel this time. Thanks again for your advice! smile.gif
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