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They could ban you from buying etc. or banning your account completely for cheating and it wouldn't affect me because I don't cheat in games. I love playing games for a challenge. If you want to cheat and have a background program holding your hand for you in a game, then you shouldn't be playing games. Stick with The Sims franchise if you want something easy to play.
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I agree that the game you cheated in should be locked out to you, not everything else as well. Suspending your account entirely seems a bit harsh.
I think the reasoning behind this, for me, is that if someone were to buy their games at a brick and mortar store, only the game they were cheating in would get banned by whoever runs the game service, but that doesn't mean that their other games they bought are banned.

I'm certainly not a fan of cheating, but I think it's a little too much to essentially lock you out of everything you own. Using the brick and mortar example, that's like someone finding out you cheated at one game, going to your house and taking away your other games as well.
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Another reason why competetion is good.

But you shouldnt be cheating in the first place anyway.
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I agree that the game you cheated in should be locked out to you, not everything else as well. Suspending your account entirely seems a bit harsh.
I think the reasoning behind this, for me, is that if someone were to buy their games at a brick and mortar store, only the game they were cheating in would get banned by whoever runs the game service, but that doesn't mean that their other games they bought are banned.
I'm certainly not a fan of cheating, but I think it's a little too much to essentially lock you out of everything you own. Using the brick and mortar example, that's like someone finding out you cheated at one game, going to your house and taking away your other games as well.

They're all on the steam service then you should lose access to all online games on steam.
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This will just drive Supposed "Cheaters/Hackers" to pirate the games.

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still think bans should just apply to the game that you where caught cheating on, but eh that's just me.

This. Cheaters buy certain games just to cheat and nothing else.
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There is no way a company should be able to prevent you from accessing games you paid for b/c of some TOS violation. They can stop you playing through their MP servers if you are caught cheating but to prevent access to your games is criminal, ethically if not legally.
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There is no way a company should be able to prevent you from accessing games you paid for b/c of some TOS violation. They can stop you playing through their MP servers if you are caught cheating but to prevent access to your games is criminal, ethically if not legally.

Ethics are always up for debate but it certainly isn't criminal. If you violate a lease agreement they take away your rights to use your house, if you violate the TOS on a game they take away your right to play the game. When you agree to use the steam service to play your games you are subject to their TOS agreements, if you violate them they can take away your rights to use those games. It may not seem ethical to you but it is perfectly legal. If you don't like the terms of a contract then don't sign it.

If you go and but a hard copy of a game you are free to do what ever you want to that disk, you can smash it, burn it, make it a drink coaster or use it as a frisbee if you want but when it comes to the intellectual property contained on that disk you are limited to the TOS agreement. Like it or not it is standard practice in everything you buy, once you accept that you aren't buying the game but buying the right to use the game it makes more sense. Just about everything comes with stipulations attached, plopping down your hard earned cash for a hammer doesn't buy you the right to bury it into someones skull.
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Ethics are always up for debate but it certainly isn't criminal. If you violate a lease agreement they take away your rights to use your house, if you violate the TOS on a game they take away your right to play the game. When you agree to use the steam service to play your games you are subject to their TOS agreements, if you violate them they can take away your rights to use those games. It may not seem ethical to you but it is perfectly legal. If you don't like the terms of a contract then don't sign it.
If you go and but a hard copy of a game you are free to do what ever you want to that disk, you can smash it, burn it, make it a drink coaster or use it as a frisbee if you want but when it comes to the intellectual property contained on that disk you are limited to the TOS agreement. Like it or not it is standard practice in everything you buy, once you accept that you aren't buying the game but buying the right to use the game it makes more sense. Just about everything comes with stipulations attached, plopping down your hard earned cash for a hammer doesn't buy you the right to bury it into someones skull.

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A ToS violation should never result in offline game play being denied. That is equivalent to someone cheating and then they get all their games robbed. It's a crime.

However, a ToS violation can (and should) result in online game play being denied. Even across all games. Good riddance. (Obviously, their should be a clear definition of cheating and a repeal system.)

One last thing. Even if the game is exclusively online, the online gameplay should still be denied. You should be responsible for buying an exclusive online game and the cheating in it.
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That means full access to games, but no buying games, trading items, gifting things, or CD-key activation is allowed.

This does nto even make logical sense. Let the cheaters keep playing online and wreaking havoc but suspend unrelated tasks?

Buying games - maybe only if they wanted a new release. Otherwise they already have the game they want to cheat on. Mostly useless.

Trading/Gifting items - Why would a cheater care... they are busy cheating in games to care.

CD-Key Activation - Don't understand what this has to do with preventing cheaters?


Cheaters obviously do not care about the consequences, otherwise they would not blatantly break the ToS. Just ban them from all multiplayer, ONLY, and move on. Multiplayer is the ONLY main concern on a cheaters mind. Make them risk losing it all.
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