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Originally Posted by RaakaReiska View Post

Could you post image how to tape this mouse (or anyone else who has done it).

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Reima

The lens is put sideways on this mouse, so you would have to put a bit of tape on one of the sides only, to block some of the light coming.
Out of the top of my head, the side you would have to tape off is the right side (looking at mouse from underside) of the light opening.
In any way, don't overdo it, you may only need to block 1~2 mm to get LoD down to what should be good.
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Originally Posted by Snakesoul View Post

Well i can tell you from personal experience, if you have the chance go to a store and see which one fits you better in your hand. Telling you this because i have small\medium hands, and for some reason i got some pain in my hands\fingers, after i palm the savu... That doesn't happen with DA, my hand feels more relaxed.

You might wanna hold the mouse one of the two ways it was designed to be held:
-Claw :
Palm on the mouse ass.
Thumb on the right side, wherever it feels comfortable, but in the back.
Index finger on the LMB, middle finger on the RMB, but not glued to the surface, rather curving the fingers, as in claw.
Ring finger resting on the smooth rubber area next to RMB (or on the left side, preference).
Pinky finger on the right side of the mouse, countering the force of the thumb together with ring finger.

-Figertip :
Palm doesn't touch the mouse ass, but rather stays a few centimeters behind.
Thumb on the right side, wherever it feels comfortable, more to the front.
Index finger on the LMB, middle finger on the RMB, both glued to the surface, as if palming the mouse.
Ring finger resting either on the rubber area or the right side.
Pinky finger on the right side of the mouse, countering the force of the thumb together with ring finger.

Extra :
-"Paw grip" :
Palm on the mouse ass.
Thumb on the right side, wherever it feels comfortable, but in the back.
Index finger on the LMB, middle finger on the RMB, both glued to the surface, as if palming the mouse.
Ring finger resting on the smooth rubber area next to RMB (or on the left side, preference).
Pinky finger on the right side of the mouse, countering the force of the thumb together with ring finger.

If held in any of this ways, it should feel comfortable after a couple of days, and it will end up feeling quite good. Unless you have giant hands biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Snakesoul View Post

Savu it's a good mouse, good tracking, good responsive mouse buttons, good scrollwheel (sttif at first but i guess with some use it becomes better), the side buttons are very tactile and responsive also, the cable it's not so stiff as other mices. It's LOD it's not that high, i think you can handle it pretty well.
The only thing i saw while i had it, it was the mouse skates, i think they were too thin... i used it on a cloth mouthpad, but i think if it had a thicker ones would be great...
At Software, well you have tons of configurations you can make, (i haven't explored it totally so...) i only used it to change polling rate from 1000hz to 500..I haven't tried the sensei.. (guess it's one of the mouse i haven't tried yet so i can't talk about him)....
and there's my opinion, of course it's not an expert opinion, like talking about hardware but also i don't have that kind of knowledge... smile.gif wait to see more opinions from experienced and nice persons =)

For a braided cable, Savu's feels really good indeed.
Also, the mouse skates are good, but not the best I've ever seen. Don't take it wrong, they're probably the best mouse skates that come with a mouse by default I've seen in quite a long while, but they're still a bit lower quality than other commercial brands that focus only on those (Hyperglide, Puretrak, you name them), and they degrade quite fast when coupled with a hard (erosive) surface.

Software is easily the most complete I've seen on a mouse yet, and presentation is also on a high level. Functionality is huge, although I've found a few minor issues, probably related to the driver itself (should be higher priority imho).
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Originally Posted by famas48 View Post

thanks for answer. Savu sounds really nice for me, since i mainly use claw grip. Gonna try the savu in store, if it fits my hand will definetly take it smile.gif

Savu is good for mid-sized hands for claw and fingertip most.

It is worth a try if the rest of the characteristics appeal to you.
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Originally Posted by DeMS View Post


For a braided cable, Savu's feels really good indeed.
Also, the mouse skates are good, but not the best I've ever seen. Don't take it wrong, they're probably the best mouse skates that come with a mouse by default I've seen in quite a long while, but they're still a bit lower quality than other commercial brands that focus only on those (Hyperglide, Puretrak, you name them), and they degrade quite fast when coupled with a hard (erosive) surface.
Savu is good for mid-sized hands for claw and fingertip most.
It is worth a try if the rest of the characteristics appeal to you.
Lo DeMS,

I have to agree with you on the mouse skates, they glide perfectly, but i think they're a little bit thin... if they were a bit thicker we wouldn't regret it smile.gif
Oh i thought savu was meant for palm grippers... (that's why i bought it.. stupid me mad.gif and then had to return it)
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Lo DeMS,
I have to agree with you on the mouse skates, they glide perfectly, but i think they're a little bit thin... if they were a bit thicker we wouldn't regret it smile.gif
Oh i thought savu was meant for palm grippers... (that's why i bought it.. stupid me mad.gif and then had to return it)

You could've tried asking how to hold it over here, I'm sure a compromise could've been done (thinking of my self-created "paw" grip, which is a mix of palm and claw).

I have no problem switching between holding styles, so I might be unique in that regard (I use a palm mouse with my laptop, and I switch between claw, fingertip and palm for my desktop, while playing competitively with all mice I am using - I usually rotate my favourites), but I still had to take my time to adapt to the Savu, which at first it felt really odd -I usually adapt to a new mouse within two hours, not two months-, but after a while it felt much better.

I agree the Savu is a bit harder to adapt than some other mice, but most people also underestimates the time to adjust to a new mouse (and shape).

When you're not used to switch mice daily, getting used to a new mouse -shape, buttons, sensor- might take up to two months -at least until you can be at the same or better level than with the old mouse. If you don't get at such level, then either you suffer an external problem or the mouse doesn't perform at the level you require-.
For people who's used to switch mice, it might take hours to days to get used to a mouse, and usually about a week to master it and extract all the juice.
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You could've tried asking how to hold it over here, I'm sure a compromise could've been done (thinking of my self-created "paw" grip, which is a mix of palm and claw).
I have no problem switching between holding styles, so I might be unique in that regard (I use a palm mouse with my laptop, and I switch between claw, fingertip and palm for my desktop, while playing competitively with all mice I am using - I usually rotate my favourites), but I still had to take my time to adapt to the Savu, which at first it felt really odd -I usually adapt to a new mouse within two hours, not two months-, but after a while it felt much better.
I agree the Savu is a bit harder to adapt than some other mice, but most people also underestimates the time to adjust to a new mouse (and shape).
When you're not used to switch mice daily, getting used to a new mouse -shape, buttons, sensor- might take up to two months -at least until you can be at the same or better level than with the old mouse. If you don't get at such level, then either you suffer an external problem or the mouse doesn't perform at the level you require-.
For people who's used to switch mice, it might take hours to days to get used to a mouse, and usually about a week to master it and extract all the juice.

Well haven't asked i guess because i thought from the begining it was meant for palm grip rolleyes.gif I don't change a lot, just twice a day redface.gif at work i use claw grip and at home, for web browsing and of course playing i use palm... I think you' have more experience withe mices so you don't have any dificulties on adapting.
I couldn't stay with the mouse for more than a couple of days or else i couldn't get a refund..(my pc store don't exatcly like to change some things, mices are one of them).. i thought of buying it again from another shop (especially if i can keep it for 14 days for testing and then return it if i want to... because and has you said, adapting to a new mouse can take a lot of time.,) do you think i should buy it again or is it out of question and stay with my DA?(well it's bigger, wider, and doesn't have that curve... i think my hand don't adapt to that kinda of shape like savu, xai, the butt it bigger\higher than the rest of the mouse...)
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I really hope i could find a mouse like i have at my job...(it's an old one) but at least it's an all round grip mouse.. and i could see if i can adapt to it on gaming... its (some info about it http://www.tcocd.de/Pictures/Peripheral/Logitech/ms69.shtml) Hope admins don't mind of me putting that link... i use an extremely old one as you can see on those pics("mine" it's on the right pics.."black.edition".. wink.gif is there some optical mouse like that shape\size and side buttons?
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Well haven't asked i guess because i thought from the begining it was meant for palm grip rolleyes.gif I don't change a lot, just twice a day redface.gif at work i use claw grip and at home, for web browsing and of course playing i use palm... I think you' have more experience withe mices so you don't have any dificulties on adapting.
I couldn't stay with the mouse for more than a couple of days or else i couldn't get a refund..(my pc store don't exatcly like to change some things, mices are one of them).. i thought of buying it again from another shop (especially if i can keep it for 14 days for testing and then return it if i want to... because and has you said, adapting to a new mouse can take a lot of time.,) do you think i should buy it again or is it out of question and stay with my DA?(well it's bigger, wider, and doesn't have that curve... i think my hand don't adapt to that kinda of shape like savu, xai, the butt it bigger\higher than the rest of the mouse...)

If you can, it would be interesting to test it out.
The Savu has it's own set of interesting features that are very different from the DA, but might prove useful if you make use of them, maybe you will discover it might help your performance to grip it in a different way, after all.
In any event, new experiences might be useful to learn, so if you can return it, why not? smile.gif
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Offtopic:
I really hope i could find a mouse like i have at my job...(it's an old one) but at least it's an all round grip mouse.. and i could see if i can adapt to it on gaming... its (some info about it http://www.tcocd.de/Pictures/Peripheral/Logitech/ms69.shtml) Hope admins don't mind of me putting that link... i use an extremely old one as you can see on those pics("mine" it's on the right pics.."black.edition".. wink.gif is there some optical mouse like that shape\size and side buttons?

It looks like the WMO/IMO1.1.

Sadly, there are not many "descendants" of this shape, there was the Mx300/G3, which is discontinued, or you could take a look at Zowie's offers, which are similarly shaped, and there will be bst's mouse (Aurora), with a similar shape and A3090 sensor.

However, don't get your hopes up to find any modern optical too similar to this shape.
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G100. weak sensor though.

You could try finding a G3 on ebay.
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Well i guess if i can get it I'll try to test it again. For some reason on day 2 started to get some pain on my hand between middle and ring finger.
Hmm i don't think zowie it's the same shape as the other one, from what I've seen zowie shares the same design and shape as xai, but i could be wrong.. G3 seems to be the mouse..but i think it should be difficult to get one..
Since they don't produce them anymore and also i don't want to pay a fortune for it..i would like to see how i could handle it on games, with claw grip..My company had intellimouse and they threw it away :s and i use that old piece of crap..

Once again i would like to thank DeMS and Skylit for their patience and sharing knowledge.
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G100. weak sensor though.
You could try finding a G3 on ebay.

Or from korea/china smile.gif G1-G3 are still sold there.
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I'm curious to know if others are using their Savu at 400 DPI vs adjusting the windows slider? Out of the mice I have (DA:BE, G400 v2) it seems to track the best on my white Puretrak Talent. I'm pulling 3.4-4 m/s. Does this sound correct or inline with what others are seeing? I'm also getting a decent LOD of around 2 CDs or so on my white pad. Assuming that reduces LOD due to the surface?
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I'm curious to know if others are using their Savu at 400 DPI vs adjusting the windows slider? Out of the mice I have (DA:BE, G400 v2) it seems to track the best on my white Puretrak Talent. I'm pulling 3.4-4 m/s. Does this sound correct or inline with what others are seeing? I'm also getting a decent LOD of around 2 CDs or so on my white pad. Assuming that reduces LOD due to the surface?
I'm using in @ 400DPI and tape fixed, QcK heavy..max speed is somewhere between 3-4m/s, too tired to test for exact nums
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