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post #1001 of 3380
6/6/12 at 6:49pm
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im not gonna tell someone else whether to de-lid or not but here is the breakdown.
DE-LID
PRO. lower temps, higher oc w/ less voltage and again lower temps since lower voltage. less chip degredation due to of course lower temps/voltage = longer life of chip
CON. Void warranty & possible risk of braking it (seems unlikely when done correctly)
so what have you got to lose? like $230 if you jack it up, or you can end up with a much cooler chip that oc's alot better
I'm gonna take the risk, up to you. What I do know is use cool lab liquid pro on the dye if you do delid seems by far the best.

How much is the "higher OC with less voltage" affected? I think this is my main problem now. Do people that do this usually get an extra few multipliers at the same voltage, more, or less?

I'm quite tempted to try this, as it looks like a decent investment tongue.gif where can I get more info?

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post #1002 of 3380
6/6/12 at 6:53pm
check my post again sorry, I don't know why I said lower voltage. the voltage should remain the same only the temps from said voltage will be less.

I edited my post with what I think are all the steps you need to take. I ordered my liquid pro from frozencpu.com and they shipped same day I did not pay for rush processing just usps 2-3 shipping for $7.47 came out to like $21.00
Edited by HardwareDecoder - 6/6/12 at 6:56pm
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6/6/12 at 7:07pm
HardwareDecoder I look forward to seeing what your results are when you do this.
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6/6/12 at 7:21pm
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check my post again sorry, I don't know why I said lower voltage. the voltage should remain the same only the temps from said voltage will be less.
I edited my post with what I think are all the steps you need to take. I ordered my liquid pro from frozencpu.com and they shipped same day I did not pay for rush processing just usps 2-3 shipping for $7.47 came out to like $21.00

I looked around, and those steps look right. I look forward to seeing your results.

So, if you were in my situation, where I am stuck at 4.3 GHz due to voltage, but my temps are fine... would you re-lid? The only reason I would is if I 4.4 GHz would become stable at the voltages it isn't stable at now.

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6/6/12 at 7:22pm
how did you guys considering a 3570k @ 4.5MHz on 1.24V prime95 for 45 min and still going high temp's 64-67-67-62 ?
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post #1006 of 3380
6/6/12 at 7:24pm
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For my sig rig, what would you guys say is a good voltage to max out at?
Right now I am at 1.224V and a max temp of 77C. At idle, I have a voltage of 0.94V with a max temp of 33C. Is this idle voltage too low?
I have tried to hit 4.4 GHz but even at 1.27V it isn't stable frown.gif
Current settings:
Multi: 43
Offset: -0.030V
LLC: 3
I might be missing something as it is interesting that an extra 0.05V won't get me another multi.
ALL help is welcome smile.gif
For those of you overclocking with offset, why would you use LLC (and negative offset) ??
Turn your LLC off and change your offset to positive. Better for chip health and stability (my understanding).
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6/6/12 at 7:25pm
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how did you guys considering a 3570k @ 4.5MHz on 1.24V prime95 for 45 min and still going high temp's 64-67-67-62 ?

Not bad temp wise. Gotta run it for 12hours or more to determine if it's really stable yet though. Your voltage might not quite do it.
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6/6/12 at 7:26pm
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For those of you overclocking with offset, why would you use LLC (and negative offset) ??
Turn your LLC off and change your offset to positive. Better for chip health and stability (my understanding).

If you have a negative offset its easier to turn LLC off than it is to leave it on. This is true. Turning it off also allows you to have higher idle voltages so you don't have to worry about crashes at idle.
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6/6/12 at 7:31pm
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For those of you overclocking with offset, why would you use LLC (and negative offset) ??
Turn your LLC off and change your offset to positive. Better for chip health and stability (my understanding).

Because LLC will prevent vdroop. You can run negative offset and remain stable but if you get vdroop on top of it that might BSOD you.

Let me put it like this. Lets say your CPU runs 1.2v at load after droop. At 4.3Ghz you are stable here and you think "maybe I can lower vcore and keep the speed" and you try it and it BSODs. Then you add LLC and it keeps vdroop from happening so badly and what do you know, stable at lower than stock voltage.
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6/6/12 at 7:39pm
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For those of you overclocking with offset, why would you use LLC (and negative offset) ??
Turn your LLC off and change your offset to positive. Better for chip health and stability (my understanding).

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If you have a negative offset its easier to turn LLC off than it is to leave it on. This is true. Turning it off also allows you to have higher idle voltages so you don't have to worry about crashes at idle.

So since I am 4.3 GHz right now with an offset of -0.030 V with a LLC of 3, what would you recommend as an offset if I disable LLC?

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